Res: [tied] Latin spissus, crassus, grossus, bassus

From: Joao S. Lopes
Message: 66591
Date: 2010-09-13

Did all i-declination Latin adjectives come from another declinations through i-suffix? Most of them came from u-stems: gravis, levis, tenuis, pinguis, mollis, le:nis etc. But I have doubts about the sets grandis-viridis-rudis, and mi:tis-fortis. Another ones were the ri-stems, like acer/acris, celeber/celebris, salu:ber/salu:bris.
Could grandis and fortis be explained as dissimilations from *grandris and *fortris ? or <*grandui- *fortui- ?

Sanskrit has a classe of i-stems: suci- "shining", and a in-class: balin- dhanin-

Could viridis be a cross between *viridus (<vire:re) and *virdis?

Joao S. Lopes




De: Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...>
Para: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Domingo, 12 de Setembro de 2010 17:46:56
Assunto: Re: [tied] Latin spissus, crassus, grossus, bassus

 




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--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
> ________________________________
> From: Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...>

>
> Is there an analogous formation in the Latin adjectives
> spissus "thick",
> crassus "thick",
> grossus "thick, fat, large, bulky",
> bassus "short"?
> Cou we add de:nsus "dense" to this group?
> Are they vernacular Latin words or loanwords from
> Italic, Celtic, Ligurian neighboors?
>
> crassus < *kratsos ? akin to Greek kratos (g. krateos) < *krh2tos- >
> *krh2ts-o-
> ?

> ***R So crassus originally meant "fleshy"? That would make sense.
> Bassus wouldn't be originally Latin because of /b-/ but it may be
> P-Italic, Ligurian or Celtic, etc.
> We discussed grossus about 10 years ago or so and there should be
> something useful in the archives.

I found nothing.

It was when we were talking about the possibility of grande being related to Basque andi. Larry Trask had a conniption fit over that idea. My view was that Basque garai more likely was from Latin grandis. Then we starting in on grossus, great, crass et al. It was a long thread. I think Brian was in on it. I know Miguel was. We looked at Meillet et al. and discussed that.