Re: 'dyeus'

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "t0lgsoo1" <guestuser.0x9357@...> wrote:

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> >The Altaic part of that root:
> >http://tinyurl.com/27souut
> >http://tinyurl.com/2eo76gh
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> >It makes one wonder whether the Sky God
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Father
> >in Indo-European is a loan from the outside (as he was in Altaic)?
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> Why should it be (not the other way around)?

Hehe, you didn't like that?
Because it's possible to unite the two reconstructed forms PIE *di-ew and *di-en by positing that they were from *di-eŋ, which is not a standard rule in PIE, so Occam tells us to seek a solution outside PIE. At the same time, according to S. Georg
http://tinyurl.com/27souut
the tengri thing in Turkic (and by implication Tianli in Chinese?) is a loan from Yeniseian). Yeniseian once reached the Kama river
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_River
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/62662
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/62623
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/62616 (bottom)
so why not throw in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tisza
former Pathissus (Pa River?)

> "God" is the secondary meaning of TANG-/TENG-/TING- (or TNGR);
> the primary meaning of it is "(the blue) sky".

Both in Turkic and IE the *tieŋ- means
1. sky,
2. the Sky God.
Which sense was primary is a moot point.

> OTOH, note that
> the "substrate" of those "Altaic" semi-nomads who spread the tangri
> word actually had spoken PIE, idioms (as "Scythians", "Tokharians"
> etc). (i.e., praktisch die... echten "Asen", die Eure Mythologie
> inspiriert haben. :))
>

They had similar lifestyles, but different languages. They didn't change language much, but sought other solutions to the problem of someone else's power structure on the land they felt was theirs, or ought to be.


Torsten