Re: Roman weapons in Przeworsk

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

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> --- On Mon, 7/19/10, Torsten <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> George Knysh:
> > > BTW you still haven't provided anything concrete about the
> > > inventory of the 'upper layer' Przeworsk inhumations of that
> > > period. This is crucial if you wish to establish a "Dandarian"
> > > or other "Scythian" connection.
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>
> ****GK: 1. What is required is an evaluation of the full inventory,
> not merely mention of sporadic objects of various provenance.

I wouldn't interpret 'analogous' to mean 'sporadic' and 'of various provenance'.

> E.g. one "Roman" object among dozens or hundreds of other objects
> does not make the burial "Roman".

'Found with a J5 type target handle, a flame blade, cinerary urn of I group. Both complete vases and sherds found there, too' doesn't mean "dozens or hundreds of other objects".

> 2. The specifics of the burial rite (e.g.shape of the pit, position
> of the body et sim.) are also significant.

Yes, in the case you want to establish commmon origin of these with other graves elsewhere.

> Simple "inhumation" is not a sufficient specific final identifier,
> though it is OK "for starters". This is elementary archaeology.****

They seem to be cremation, as you noted.

> Roman swords in Przeworsk:
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> http://wwwg.uni-klu.ac.at/archeo/archeost/66sword.htm
> The interesting ones should be the ones which are dated to
> immediately before period B1, noted here LL/B1 (LL = Late Latène?)
>
> For the absolute chronology of the period designations see http://bartoszkontny.pradzieje.pl/index_pl.php?content=time_of_war_01
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> There are three such swords, namely item 10, one with a Roman
> inscription, ALLIUS PA. Allius is a Roman nomen
>
> ****GK: The information here provided is that these swords came from
> Noricum via Czechia and middle Silesia, and that the Italian
> craftsman was of Etruscan origin.****

That is not 'information', that is their hypothesis, and you know that.

> The three swords mentioned are 'an earlier type of roman SPATHA
> sword'. The spatha is otherwise thought of as originating in the
> first century BCE:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatha
> but see the alternative explanations in
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spatha
>
> ****GK: But the most significant point here is that the swords are
> from cremation rather than inhumation burials.****

OK
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Torsten