Could Latin jubar "morning star" fit into *h2usro-? Maybe from some older
*ubros, or, maybe, forgive me if it looks a bit exaggerated:
iuba:r < *diubaros < *diubra:ros < *dyu-usr-a:ros
JS Lopes
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De: Piotr Gasiorowski <
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Para:
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Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 12 de Julho de 2010 6:18:28
Assunto: Re: Res: Res: [tied] Re: 'dyeus'
W dniu 2010-07-12 07:18, stlatos pisze:
> What reason do you have for deriving this from 'eastern' instead of
> 'morning', since, as you said/implied, "morning star" is so common a
> term? If so, the -r- is from -s.- not -s.r.-.
That's the usual explanation, but as Germanic has no unextended reflexes
of the 'dawn' root, deriving both *austra- and *aura- (rather than
*auza-) from *ausra- is more economic, since there is independent
evidence for the loss of *z in *zr. Anyway, *h2ausro- means 'morning' in
other branches, so I don't have to insist on 'east-wanderer'. It can be
'morning-wanderer' just as well.
> The -t- in 'eastern' may not come from -s.r.- at all since it is a
> derivative of 'morning', a word ending in -wó:s with f/t* (dental) alt.
> (which words I believe you said probably came from T > s/t in PIE, with
> no f, etc., mentioned). The -t- is also found in some l. in which there
> is reason to think no sr>str took place, like Sl * utro.
There are very good reasons to think Slavic <(j)utro> comes from
*h2ausro- as well. First, Baltic has it (Lith. aus^ra, Latv. austra);
secondly, Slavic has many traces of the by-form *(j)ustro.
Piotr
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