From: Torsten
Message: 66263
Date: 2010-07-06
> By the way, is there any linguistic link Goth <-> Jüte (jysk)?I think there is
> (I'm influenced by the North German phenomenon: "janz jut,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plautdietsch_language#Palatalization
> jestern, Jans, Jurke, Jott, Jeck". :))
> >Here's my take on 'Langobard'He also agrees with me on one thing, namely that Scandinavia can't be the Urheimat of Germanic.
> >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/60000
>
> BTW, Mr. Udolph is a frequent guest in radio & TV talk-shows
> (where he answers questions regarding onomastics and toponyms),
> in Germany.
> As for those "waard-" words, a similar interpretation is there inInteresting. Vennemann has proposed an 'Atlantic' (<-Semitic) etymology for it.
> the cases of Hungarian toponyms containing vár [va:r] "Burg,
> fortress, citadel" and its derivates, esp. várda and várad. In
> medieval documents Latinized e.g. as Varadinum/Waradinum,
> and in German (up to day) adapted as Wardein. (I suppose
> Hungarian < PIE uer (wer), akin to Germ. Wehr.)
> >Here's how Odin named themHere's my timeline
>
> What's the intermediate conclusion after many years of research?
> Was Odin/Uuodan an Alan princeling? :-) (Or even descendant
> of the Scythian-Turkic "royal clan" of Ashina. Or an ancestor
> to the Hunic prince Uldin (around AD400)? :))
> >The Vandals prepared for war and consulted Godan (the god Odin),No, I think the name Wodan is from *ÅWod-in- where *ÅWod- means "army; hunting party (by water)".
>
> Heil'ger Bimbam! Then Goths might have been Odin's own
> children/people! :)
> >who answered that he would give the victory to those whom heI think so too. More exactly a late attempt to re-interpret the lame joke of the Winnili being 'Langwarder' in a time when no one got the joke anymore.
> >would see first at sunrise. The Winnili were fewer in number and
> >Gambara sought help from Frea (the goddess Frigg), who advised
> >that all Winnili women should tie their hair in front of their
> >faces like beards and march in line with their husbands. So it
> >came that Godan spotted the Winnili first, and asked, "Who are
> >these long-beards?" and Frea replied, "My lord, thou hast given
> >them the name, now give them also the victory." From that moment
> >onwards,
>
> This might be one of those numerous popular explanations, legends,
> via "Volksetymologie" (the same way as Jordanes thought Getae
> were the ancestors of Goths).
> >the Winnili were known as the Langobards (Latinised andSource?
> >Italianised as Lombards).'
>
> AFAIK, Langobards belonged to the Suebian group.
> >in my interpretation a pun on their supposed origin way out in theNo, they were Veneti. Both Vandals and Winnili would have been Veneti.
> >sticks on the platteland and on their Venetic pronunciation of
> >Germanic /w/ as /b/ or /g/ (hardening/Verschärfung).
>
> And /j/. These oscillations are still "alive 'n' kickin'" in modern
> German, i.e., in German dialects. (E.g. in various German
> dialects "aber" is pronounced "awwer", "lieber" - "liewer/leewer",
> "Teufel" - "Deibel, Deiwel", "jetzt" - "getz", "Taube" - "Duwe"
> etc.)
>
> >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/57554
>
> You assume that some of the "Wenden/Windischen" weren't
> Slavs, but some Germanic population, perhaps those Winn'le
> "Langbärte"? Even... Vandals? (The German 2nd name Wünsche
> belongs to the Windisch group as well; it has nothing to do
> with "Wunsch".)