[thank you for the links.]
>Olthaces (VÉrÉθragna) = Olcaba = Wod-in- = Ariovistus = Harigasti
Is it a certainty that Harigasti means Ariovistus? The "Slovenian"
helmet seems to be older and Italic.
>The involvement of the first two in the equation is speculative, but I >think the last three hold water.
Hm, Odin/Uuodan... "the wet one"?
>Note the many Odin's 'wild hunt' legends in Germany, which would
>then be reminiscences of Ariovistus campaign in the old Helvetian
But wasn't that guy too recent (and not too "famous") in order to
become a supreme deity to all Germanic peoples? (If there had
been some unknown "profet" 1-2 thousand years earlier in the
"Ases" lands, some, say, Scythian or Tocharian or "Altaic" one...,
but Ariovist is almost as recent as Arminius. BTW, was Arminius
also a NWBlocker? cf. Kuhn-Cherusker-"-sk"-NWB.)
>>AFAIK, Langobards belonged to the Suebian group.
>
>Source?
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langobarden
''Die Langobarden (auch Winniler) waren ein Teilstamm der Sueben,
eng mit den Semnonen verwandt, und damit ein elbgermanischer
Stamm, der ursprünglich an der unteren Elbe siedelte.''
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langobarden#Belege
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langobarden#Literatur
http://www.oeaw.ac.at/gema/lango.htm
>No, they were Veneti. Both Vandals and Winnili would have been
>Veneti.
>Kuhn pointed out several *Wend- names in *western* Germany, where
>they weren't supposed to be (approx Niedersachsen
But isnt' Veneti a "Gummibegriff" as well? Some were Kelts, others
were perhaps Illyrians, and those more recent Wenden/Wünschen
are all of slavic origin (from Eastern provinces of the Holy Roman
Empire of German Nation). (cf. the famous Austrian noble clan
Windisch-Graetz from Slovenj Gradec)
On the other hand, Lübeck and Markt-Redwitz are also Slavic
toponyms, and they aren't in Pommerania, Saxonia, Boemia,
Burgenland or Carinthia. :-)
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niedersachsen
>and Westphalia
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westphalia
Dat weess ik (zumal als Bundesbürger :)).
>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/65307
Hehe, a further group of "Walachians". (But, anyway, Welschen
are usually people speaking a Romance language, "walhisk", also
known as Vaalser, Walser, Walliser, Walchen, Blocher/-en,
Wallonen etc.)
>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/65697
Today's Lusatians = die Wenden/Winden = die Sorben (in their
Slavic idiom: serbshtchina; an idiom that - I suppose - can be
understood by a Pole and by a Czech). Now if they are Slavicized
Vandals or Veneti, I don't know.
http://www.serbske-nowiny.de/
George
PS: Olcaba looks like a genuine Cuman and Petcheneg name
(with the typical -aba/-oba/-opa suffix). Those Turkic groups
also had Scythian ancestry (Cumans were called Kyptchaks,
i.e. "red Scythians", Middle Iranian kip "red; southern" &
chak "Saka" = Scythian). Was Olcaba/Olthaces a local (Adjar?)
guy or one of Sarmatian extraction?