Res: [tied] Re: Latin Honor < ?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@> wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@> wrote:
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> > > On 2010-03-13 00:47, Joao S. Lopes wrote:
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> > > > Probably by analogy to -us of Nominative.
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> > > > *wenos gen *wenesos, adj. *wenestos, *wenesnos cf. greek erebos,
> > > > erebeinos (<*h1regWes-no)
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> > > As a matter of fact, Jens Rasmussen speculates that *-esto- itself is
> > > analogical as well, and that the original adjectival derivatives of
> > > es-stem nouns ended in *-eto- (parallelling *s ~ *t alternations found
> > > elsewhere). Cf. Skt. namas- 'homage' vs. Gaul. nemeton 'holy place'
> > > (*nem-es-, adj. nem-et-o-). If so, an older PIE *wenh1-et-o- was
> > > replaced by "dialectal" *wenh1-es-to- (because of *wenh1-es-), and of
> > > course in the immediate ancestor of Latin *wenesto- was influenced by
> > > the vocalism of *wenos, yielding *wenosto-.
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> > Regarding the Latin confusion of stems, we have some /us/-stem neuters as well as the more common /es/-stems. Pokorny regards OHG <Sigur-ma:r> as reflecting a neuter *seg^H-us- parallel to the more common *seg^H-es-. Perhaps Lat. <venus>, <venustus> reflect an original nt. *wenh1-us-, with the gen. <veneris> analogical after regular /es/-stems with /os/ in the nom./acc. sg., like <genus>, <generis>.
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> The form *wenh1-us- avoids the difficulty that Old Latin *venos (nom./acc. sg. from *wenh1-es-) should have undergone /o/-umlaut of the /e/ in this position, with a simple nasal between the vowels and /w/, /h/, or zero before the /e/. Hence OL <dvenos> > *dvonos > <bonus>, *hemo: (old acc. sg. <hemonem> Paul. Fest.) > <homo:>, *enos > <onus>. We should expect Lat. *vonus, not <venus>, from an /es/-stem.

But doesn't initial *vo- become <ve-> in Latin (e.g. vo:s but vester, vertex beside earlier vortex, probably others (perhaps e.g. <vermis> for earlier <vormis>, cf. Gmc *wurmiz))?

Andrew

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> Whether any advantage comes from assuming that *-usto- comes from earlier *-uto- as the regular adjective for /us/-stems, I cannot say.
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