From: Torsten
Message: 65853
Date: 2010-02-14
> > > It had to antedate Grimm's shift.With all the evidential reasoning hanging on Ems/Emer-, we better consider all the evidence:
> >
> > Which happened around the beginning of our era, according to
> > Kuhn's data.
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/29016
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/34439
>
> If memory serves, the Ems is the Amisia in Tacitus, so Emer-gewe is
> to be expected; the form Ems must have had no vocalic extension
> after the stem, *ames- or whatever it was, thus no rhotacism. With
> Coriovallum/Heerlen and the like we have Celtic/Gmc. doublets which
> cannot reliably date the shift, since the Germans did not have to
> live there DURING the shift. Indeed if the shift occurred just as
> the Germans were expanding into the NWB, we would expect all, or
> nearly all, of Kuhn's anlautend-/p/ words to have exact
> anlautend-/f/ equivalents. As for LL <toacula>, remodelling after
> <novacula> and similar words explains the /k/.