Re: Uralic Loanwords in Germanic

> > > > BTW, since the IE m.nom.sg *-s and the IE s-stem *-s- seem to
> > > > have the same reflection in Finnish, are they somehow related
> > > > in IE,
> > >
> > > Why should that be?
> >
> > Well, you deleted my proposal that a frequently used case was
> > taken as a new stem.
>
> I don't see what that matters. If a frequently used Germanic case
> was taken as a new stem in Finnic, it is reanalysis on the Finns'
> part and implies nothing about the origin of the Germanic form.

No, you misunderstand me again. I proposed that the *IE* s-stems were based on a reinterpretation of the *IE* genitive -Vs as nominative (which BTW I think is the origin of the IE nom.sg. -(V)-s.

> > > They've the same reflection in Finnish because of the
> > > phonetical similarity.
> >
> > Why should that be? Phonetical similarity of what?
>
> That both are -s/-z.
>
> > But the problem is here that this s-stem *-s# in the nominative
> > must be earlier than PGmc,
>
> Oldest loans into Finnic are thought to predate PGmc.
> (*z would also naturally be substituted by *s, if that's what
> you're worried about.)

Of course not, since -z- occurs outside of nom.sg.


BTW your -´VsV- > -´VhV- > -´VV- theory doesn't work for the -s / no -s alternation cited here:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/63871


Torsten