From: Torsten
Message: 65837
Date: 2010-02-11
--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> > What's the official story of the nominative -s of kuningas
>
> It's borrowed from Germanic *kunniNga-z and the final -s is not a
> nom. marker in Finnish.
You left out lammas, which is a neuter, of obscure origin, in Germanic, thus without nom. -s, but an s-stem, and which inflects to the same pattern as kuningas, that of the vieras declension:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vieras
one of 51 declensions in Finnish
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Finnish_nominals_with_declension
which has, according to Wiktionary, 517 members in Finnish, the first 200 here:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Finnish_vieras-type_nominals
What's going on here? They can't all be loans, all 517 of them, or?
And what's the deal with the 'literary genitive plural form kuningasten' which keeps the -s suffix?
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kuningas
cf.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/63871
BTW, since the IE m.nom.sg *-s and the IE s-stem *-s- seem to have the same reflection in Finnish, are they somehow reælated in IE, eg. that the s-stems are reclassified nominatives (or genitives?), cf. the double case endings of Mordvin?
Torsten