Re: Ariovistus' home base

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

>
> We don't know where Ariovistus' "home base" was. As usual you go
> way beyond the available evidence.

I'm in good company, it seems.

> --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Torsten <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
>
> > > I prefer the hypothesis that he was slain somewhere on the
> > > road, along with many other Suebi.
> >
> > On the road to ...?
> >
> > GK: The old home, along with other Suebi.
> >
> > > Since he likely kept his shield (cf. Tacitus G,6) and "fled to
> > > fight another day" his own Suebi wouldn't have killed him.
> >
>
> Apropos Ariovistus' old home: it's the so called Gubin group,
> http://tinyurl.com/ylltf43
>
> ****GK: We don't know that. It could very well have been further
> West in classical Yastorfia.*****

The Gubin group disappears at that time. No Jastorf group does that.

> as implied here
> http://tinyurl.com/yecxx2y
> http://tinyurl.com/mr42x3
>
> ****GK: Nothing is implied that decisively connects with
> Ariovistus.

Nothing is implied which might connect this major event to anything else.

> Some of these may have been part of his army, others may have left
> a little later.*****

We have contemporaneous Przeworsk traces of the Ariovistus expedition in the Wetterau valley. We have no other Przeworsk traces outside of Przeworsk.

> since it seems to have originated as a Przeworsk-influenced Jastorf
> culture, according to
> http://tinyurl.com/ycug82p
> (note the common origin with the Moldavian Poienes.ti-Lukas^ evka
> culture)
> http://tinyurl.com/yex37qb
> http://tinyurl.com/yhacxmx
>
>
>
> so there wouldn't be much to come home to, everything was deserted
> (cf the exodus of the Helvetii) and the land taken by someone else
> http://tinyurl.com/yfg4nhz
>
> ****GK: As mentioned, there is no firm proof that the complete
> depopulation had occurred by 58 BCE rather than a few years later.
> Also: the depopulated areas were not repopulated until some two
> centuries later. The "land taken by someone else" is more of your
> usual misinformation.****

Alright, here is the quote:
'From the beginning of the new era until 140 AD two local groups existed in northwest Poland. The Gustow group (named after Gustow on Rügen) people lived in the area settled in the past by the Oder group, and south of there, by the middle section of the Oder River was the Lubusz group, in the area previously inhabited by the Gubin group. '

50 years later then. Or do you have other information?


Torsten