Re: Nordwestblock, Germani, and Grimm's law

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@> wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
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> > > [...]
> > >
> > > So the incoming Germani from Przeworsk would have spoken
> > > post-Grimm Germanic and the resident NWBers/laeti
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/64932
> > > the thread starting in
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/65502
> > > cf also Etruscan lautn, gen. lautun "family"(?)
> > > would have spoken a similar, unshifted language, much like today
> > > (or yesterday) in that area the locals speak Platt and the
> > > incoming people who matter speak Hochdeutsch.
> >
> > The gen. of Etr. <lautn> is <lautnes>. The late-archaic Tile of
> > Capua has <lautun> not <lautn> because its orthography does not
> > allow syllabic resonants. The dyslexic form <lavutn> (for *lavtun)
> > occurs in a funerary inscription. Anyhow, try not to confuse
> > variants of the zero-case with the genitive.
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> I'll pass that admonishment on to Glen Gordon
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/5297
> or perhaps the Bonfantes.

Don't bother. You can't rehabilitate shoehorn freaks like GG. The Bonfantes are usually reliable and I wonder whether they have been cited accurately here.

> > This is one of a handful of Etr. words which I argued on sci.lang
> > in 2002 were borrowed from a pre-Italic IE language. Originally
> > <lautn> was something like 'body of freemen'; the IE root is
> > *h2leudH-. If Gmc. *le:Tigaz corresponds to anything in Etr. it is
> > not <lautn> but the unrelated <Lethe>, the name sometimes bestowed
> > upon freedmen.

Oops! That should be *h1leudH- of course. The Etr. base *sacn- is more difficult, but I think it is also borrowed from pre-Italic IE, with Lat. <sa:nus> (from *sagH-nos) as a cognate. Anyone familiar with the Etr. corpus will reject Gordon's /n/-genitive nonsense.

> Assuming of course that these are not wanderwords from *Lun,-, cf the thread in
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/10861

Occam would puke.

DGK