From: george knysh
Message: 65705
Date: 2010-01-20
--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Torsten <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
--- In cybalist@... s.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
>
> --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
> Cultural loans (*kanabi- -->
> *xanapi-, dialectal Celtic *ri:g- --> *ri:k-), however rough their
> dating on independent grounds, make it clear that GL began and
> ended during the "Celtic" Iron Age. The emerging current consensus
> points to ca. 500-300 BC,
>
> GK: If one co-ordinates this emerging consensus with archaeological data, one might be looking at developments within the evolving Jastorf culture (begun c. 500 BCE when it firmly contacts with the Celts in Thuringia). The push east and southeast begun after 300 BCE would then, on this consensus, have been a push by Grimm-shifted elements?
>
I don't understand that raisonnement. All we can say from the given data is that the Grimm shift took place after their first contact with the Celts.
Torsten
****GK: The "raisonnement" stems from the view that there is an "emerging current consensus" (I don't know the details) that the Gr-sh occurred between 500 and 300 BCE. Unless I've misunderstood Piotr"s comment?*****