Re: The etymology of herold

From: Brian M. Scott
Message: 65701
Date: 2010-01-19

At 12:15:31 PM on Tuesday, January 19, 2010, Torsten wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott"
> <BMScott@...> wrote:

>> At 4:10:00 AM on Monday, January 18, 2010, Torsten wrote:

>>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott"
>>> <BMScott@> wrote:

>>>> At 3:38:19 AM on Friday, January 15, 2010, Torsten
>>>> wrote:

>>>>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott"
>>>>> <BMScott@> wrote:

>>>>>> At 5:08:35 AM on Wednesday, January 13, 2010, Torsten
>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>> Wouldn't one expect **xarja-wald-, not *xari-wald?

>>>>>> In PGmc., but not in OFrk.

>>>>> That is interesting. Could you to elaborate on that?

>>>> PGmc. *xarjaz > *xariz > OHG heri.

>>>> Morlet has the very early <Charivaldus>.

>>> Well, I gathered that, but got the perhaps false
>>> impressions from your posting that leaving out the
>>> composition vowel was a general Frankish thing?

>> It isn't left out: it's <i>, the usual composition vowel
>> of OHG i-, ja-, jô-, jan-, and jôn-stems.

> It is?

> How come there has been, according to Markey, a row over
> the hari-, instead of expected *harja- on the Negau
> helmet?
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/65634

Different period altogether. In PGmc. the compound would be
*xarjawaldaz; in OHG, <Heriwalt>. An intermediate stage,
prior to the i-umlaut in the first element, is illustrated
by <Charivaldus>, for *xariwald-.

Brian