From: george knysh
Message: 65675
Date: 2010-01-18
--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Torsten <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> > Cf.
> > http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/64735
> >
> > The Przeworsk inhumations are not of any known Sarmatian type,
> > unlike those of the Kuban. Elementary science, too complicated
> > for our Odin fan.
>
> Your evidence for that is that in
> http://kronk. narod.ru/ library/guschina -zasetskaya- 1994.htm
> there appears a line
> Priloz^enie 2. Svodnaja tablitsa po dannym pogrebIlanyx sooruz^enij
> katakombnogo tipa
> or, according to Google translate (slightly improved)
> Appendix 2. Summary table of data of burial structures of the
> catacomb type.
> which you take to prove that the Kuban graves were of the catacomb
> type. Maybe you should read the book first?
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> GK: The tables of contents is clear enough.
That's a no, then. I'll see if I can get it.
> There is an abundant literature on "catacomb type" graves of the
> late BCE and early CE in Eastern Europe. They are Alanic. And there
> is also a literature on other Sarmatian grave types. Maybe you
> should read this.
I think I'll start with the above.
****GK: From the table of contents (the book clearly deals only with the Kuban r. burials) one might deduce that there were distinct Sarmatian ethna in the area, with the "catacomb" Alanic style predominant. There were likely also Aorsans (who favoured the "niche" burial) and perhaps others. Which probably explains Shchukin's hesitations. Any more precise report would be useful. And then: a comparison with the Przeworsk inhumations. One interesting point. The Wielbark inhumations maintained their specific characteristics for centuries. We know they began in the 1rst c. CE, and we know that in the 3rd and 4th cs. their material culture had become "Chernyakhiv" as had that of their Sarmatian cocitizens. Yet even when they were part of the same polity and shared much the same culture, this (the inhumation burial type) was always distinct. Which makes it quite impplausible to assume that those who originated the Wielbark inhumations on the lower Vistula
in the 1rst c. were Sarmatian migrants (particularly since these early Wielbark graves had no other "Sarmatian" traits). I believe a similar argument can be made of the Przeworsk graves. *****
But that's what I said all the time: I'm trying to see if there is a scenario which take the those Medieval chronicles into account, specifically Snorri and Saxo. It seems to me there are three possible points in time where it could have taken place:
1) around 80-70 BCE (the Ariovistus option)
2) around 50 CE (the collapse of Vannius' state)
3) around 200 CE (after the Marcomannic wars)