From: Torsten
Message: 65650
Date: 2010-01-15
>It's not very clear what you're saying here, unless it is that you want to downplay a criterion that doesn't work your way.
>
> --- On Thu, 1/14/10, Torsten <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
>
>
> > > Finally: there is no plausible explanation as to how Germanic
> > > would have spread from a Przeworsk heartland to Scandinavia,
> >
> > Udolph and several others argue on the basis of placenames that
> > Scandinavia can't been part of the Germanic-speaking heartland
>
> ****GK: The same problem exists with the "Slavic-speaking
> heartland", and other "heartlands". Which suggests that placenames
> are not automatic indicators in such issues.****
> Ulla Lund HansenYou mean the machinations of George's brain? The one scenario I find bumps into the fewest factual obstacles is one where the Germanic language arrives in Scandinavia as part of the Sarmatian-influenced 'unitary foreign conglomerate'.
> Die Sarmaten aus südskandinavischer Sicht
> "As an archaeological concept the 'Sarmatians' appear rarely in the
> Scandinavian and/or North European archaeology, and finds from the
> Danish, Swedish or Norwegian Iron Age - and here in particular the
> Roman Imperial Period - are only rarely seen in connection with the
> Sarmatians in the archaeological literature, interpreted as from
> Sarmatian influence or even Sarmatian provenance. Although some
> Scandinavan finds are occasionally seen in relation to
> 'Southeastern Europe', this 'Southeastern Europe' is only rarely
> made specific geographically or ethnically-cultural ly. In spite of
> that the evaluation results of the archaology of the late Imperial
> Period in Europe and Scandinavia (middle 2nd to end of 4th cent.)
> offer good prospects for analyzing southeastern connections and
> thus doing also to consider further the Sarmatian culture.
>
>
> The settlement archaeology of Scandinavia flows through all of the
> Iron Age as a continuous development without striking external
> influences. The analyses of burial customs, grave inventories and
> weapon sacrificial finds have however helped bring about a number
> of new observations which must be interpreted in a European
> context. Here it might at the present time be difficult to
> determine whether the innovations are due to influences from
> Western Europe, from Eastern Europe or from both areas, or whether
> the recognizable influences from west and southeast in many cases
> have combined on the continent south of Denemark and arrived in
> Scandinavia as a unitary foreign conglomerate. "
>
> ****GK: How putative "Sarmatian" influence from the South proves a
> "Germanic" exodus from Przeworsk to Scandinavia remains opaque if
> not altogether beyond the realm of standard logical analysis.****