Re : [tied] Re: Morimarusa

From: segijus
Message: 65554
Date: 2009-12-26

It is interesting, that words with root KIMBR- is very common in Lithuanian language. From www.lkz.lt:
KIMBRA sf. (1)
1. menk. koja iki dvishakumos: Ishtiese dabar chia tas savo kìmbras, net shlykshti zhiûret Grsh. Ir jis nori su mergoms savo kìmbras pakratyti (pashokti?) Slv.
2. scom. liesas, ilgomis kojomis gyvulys: O tu, kimbra, kur kimbrini? Gl.
KIMBRENA sf. bot. orchidiniu sheimos augalas, beragis (Aceras): Kimbrena baidykle (shlaitinis beragis; A. antropophora) Mt.
KIMBRETI, -eja, -ejo intr. Brzhr stirti ish shalchio.
sukìmbreti intr. sustirti ið shalchio: Rankos sukìmbrejo, ne i pirshtines nebikishu Pj. Sukìmbrëjes esu i titnaga Brzhr.
KIMBRINTI, -ina, -ino intr. Gl stypchioti, styrineti.

Aigius


--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, patrick cuadrado <dicoceltique@...> wrote:
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> thanks one more question
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> If Cimbri is a celtic Name , what about Tastris = Cap Skagen ? = no Celtic translation !
> Cimbrorum excurrens in maria longe paeninsulam efficit, quae Tastris appellatur. ...(Pline)
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>  Can Cimbri and Sicambri have the same etymology (?)
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> Patrick
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> --- En date de : Ven 18.12.09, dgkilday57 <dgkilday57@...> a écrit :
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> De: dgkilday57 <dgkilday57@...>
> Objet: Re : [tied] Re: Morimarusa
> À: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Vendredi 18 Décembre 2009, 22h52
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> --- In cybalist@... s.com, patrick cuadrado <dicoceltique@ ...> wrote:
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> > if Morimarusa = death sea is a celtic name
> > why Cimbri is Germanic name
> > Old Irish Cimbid = a prisoner/tribute, the cimbri = the thieves = brigands cf breton Kemer = to take/To get *proto celtic Kombero
> > but IE Kimm = Rim 
> > and English Hem = edge
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> > http://www.davidkfa ux.org/Cimbri- Chronology. pdf
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> Very polemical and selective. In regard to <Morimarusa> , Faux merely repeats the material which agrees with his a-priori belief that the Cimbri were Celtic, and ignores the detailed morphology. Celtic has no feminine *mori:- 'sea', only the neuter *mori, and no trace of the perfect active participle in *-us-. Germanic languages preserve both. The only plausible way of explaining <Morimarusa> as Celtic is by assuming a Germanic substrate, as Streitberg does (IF 14:490-3, 1903). I find the Celtic stage unnecessary, as Philemon is early enough for unshifted Proto-Germanic, and */@r/ could easily have been rendered as /ar/ by Greeks in the 4th c. BCE.
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> So the Gundestrup cauldron has Celtic imagery. Cauldrons can be imported, and imagery can come from external sources. Faux has not brought us any convincing reason to think of the Cimbri as Celtic.
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