Re: Fw: Re: [tied] Re: Frankish origins

--- On Fri, 10/30/09, Torsten <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> > > Ígull

> > > Nom. igul Sö350, ihul U620$, U940, U1027, U1047, ikul

> > > Sö232, U202

> > > Acc. igul Sö381, ihul U997, U1154, [ihul] U378, M14+,

> > > ikhul U758, ikul U624, (i)kul NA13

>

>

> GK: Is the tribal name "Igylliones" (reported by Ptolemy,

> Geogr. III.5) as located between Stavani and Costoboci related to

> this? If so, it would be quite interesting since these Igylliones,

> archaeologically, correspond to the merging East Przeworsk and west

> Zarubinian cultures in the mid- 1rst c. CE.

Which do you mean, Brian's material above, which would make them 'the Pocupiners', or mine, corresponding to some vague 'the Revellers'?

****GK: Initially I'd like to know if the Germanic root is the most likely one (any chance this "Igyll-" might be Venedic/Illyrian, Baltic, or Thraco/Getic?).
If the Germanic root is indeed the best guess, then it's an issue of semantics. One might argue for either of the suggestions made above, keeping in mind that the name might have been concocted by neighbours (like Hsiong-nu by the Chinese for northern nomads, or "Germani" by the Celts acc. to one version). In that case either "Porcupiners" or "Revellers" would do (:=))***