From: Torsten
Message: 65289
Date: 2009-10-24
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: anthonyappleyard
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> --- In cybalist@..., "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> > And why these extra assumptions? Because we could then analyse
> > Thoringia (Thuringia) as *þor-ing- etc. If we didn't, who were
> > those people then -ing-'s, followers of, if not of þor?
>
> "th" in Roman Latin was pronounced as [t] + [h], not as the thorn
> letter. In "Thuringi" the Romans heard an aspirated "t". An older
> name for that tribe was "Hermanduri". "Thuringi" means "sons of the
> Duri", plus that the High German sound shift has started including
> [d] to [t].
>
> Note also Roman "Saltus Teutoburgensis", with thorn spelt as "t",
> if this name means "people fort", and if |as is likely) the modern
> German spelling "Teutoburgerwald" has been influenced via learned
> routes from the Roman record.
>
--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
> The High German shift ca. AD 420?? I would think it's the later
> version Duringa that shows the regular shift of þ- > d-, and that
> the <th> [þ] is original, not Latinate. The Hermunduri are attested
> so early that the <d> must be original as well, and it follows that
> the names are not related. Thorsten's "Thorings" look good to me,
> though of course I'd prefer to analyse the name as dissimilated
> *þunr-ing-.
>
Tacitus, Germania, 42
http://www.unrv.com/tacitus/tacitus-germania-11.php
'To the times within our memory the Marcomanians and Quadians were governed by kings, who were natives of their own, descended from the noble line of Maroboduus and Tudrus.'
*tudr-ing-? *ermin-tudr-?
Torsten