Re: Fw: Re: [tied] Re: Frankish origins

From: george knysh
Message: 65107
Date: 2009-09-23

--- On Wed, 9/23/09, Torsten <tgpedersen@...> wrote:



 



--- In cybalist@... s.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@ ...> wrote:
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> --- In cybalist@... s.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@ > wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@... s.com, george knysh <gknysh@> wrote:
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> > > > --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Torsten <tgpedersen@ ...> wrote:
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> > > > The presence of Yazygi in Illyricum is noted and assumable
> > > > from statements by Eusebius and Lucanus.
> > > > http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/65077
> > > >
> > > > GK: On second thought, I may have made an incorrect
> > > > assumption here about Sarmatian intervention in this war. I
> > > > don't know Eusebius' text, and Harmatta does not reference
> > > > it. Perhaps the Sarmatians were not part of the Pannonian
> > > > army after all and their "subjugation" by Tiberius a mere
> > > > p.r. note by some Roman historian.
> > >
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> Here's the locus in the second part of Eusebius' Chronicon:
> 7 CE: 'Tiberius Caesar drives back the Dalmatians and Sarmatians
> into Roman authority.'
> http://rbedrosian. com/jerome_ chronicle_ 03_part2. htm


*****GK: Yes. I found it in Latin (Jerome's translation): "Tiberius Caesar Dalmatas, Sarmatasque in Romanam redigit potestatem." That sounds firm enough, but is it true? We don't know. It's not confirmed by other sources, and the editors of Eusebius point out that he was wrong on many counts. (Even here actually, he gives the wrong year). What I'd like to see is an annotated version with some commentaries. Neither Suetonius nor any other sources says this. And the victor title claimed (but not granted) by Tiberius was "Pannonicus" not "Sarmaticus". I think old Eusebius was plain wrong (if he indeed wrote this) or else we need to interpret it differently. In any case this does not prove (even to Harmatta BTW) that Sarmatians had colonized Illyria.*****
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At the same time, Sarmatians were present in Moesia, according to Cassius Dio, Roman History, 55.29-30:


****GK: Yes. That too has been known for a long time, but it does nothing for you. Sarmatians had been making raids across the Danube since the late 2nd c. BCE...****