Re: Aryan invasion theory and race

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "david_russell_watson" <liberty@...> wrote:

> "Shivraj"... [is] also a Rajput, and Rajput supremacist of sorts.
> If you have the time to waste on the like, see the Rajput-
> eulogizing site, which Shivraj recommends to the IndiaArchaeology
> list, at
>
> http://hindurajput.blogspot.com

Yes, as soon as he has an opportunity to do it he always sends a link to this blog page, whose final section, the one entitled "Defence Forces" (which takes up nearly half the total space of the webpage!), consists of a long list of Rajput officers of the Indian army, of each of whom the blogger eulogizes the "valiant" and "corageous" military exploits.

What has such an exaltation of Rajput militarism to do with Shivraj's views on Indian history? It has much to do with it if you look, for instance, at the way Shivraj represents Alexander the Great's Indian campaign which, according to him, ended with Alexander's defeat at the hand of king Porus and his "Rajput" allies (Rajputs in 4th century BCE?):

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/IndiaArchaeology/message/6035

> Alexander lost in India and ran back with his tail between his legs.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/IndiaArchaeology/message/5962

> Alexander's companion's accounts are largely biased to show that
> Greeks conquered "iIdia" when Alexander's army had its butt kicked
> by [Porus] and his amry in India... Why did Porus not help
> Alexander sail down Indus? (Where Malli Rajputs pierced his armour
> and lungs and he almost died).

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/IndiaArchaeology/message/6035

> You have no idea what you are talking about. Malli is a Chauhan
> Rajput clan. And Indologists who claim that Rajputs are foreigners
> and came up as a caste in later half of first millenium do not
> realise that Sanskrit word for Rajputs i.e rajputra and kshatriya
> are used interchangably in ancient Sanskrit corpus of India (e.g
> Mahabharata) indicating that Rajput as a caste was known to
> Mahabharata writers. So Rajputs "not existing as a caste" prior to
> 9th century or whatever is an absolutely junk theory.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/IndiaArchaeology/message/6089

> Greek historians including most modern western historians [sic! --
> FB] have left no stone unturned in depicting [Alexander] as victor.
> But if you dig deep on how he had to beat a hasty retreat from
> India it is clear he gained no victory at Hydapses. So what good is
> the record keeping of Greeks in this context?

David continues:

> "Shivraj Singh" is, moreover, recognized by Wikipedia as what
> they call a "sock puppet"..., which information was relayed to me
> by Francesco..., but which post seems to have now disappeared, at
> least I can't locate it with the search function. Did you happen to
> record that post and have the message number, Francesco?

Yep. It's at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Shivraj_Singh

Read also:

http://tinyurl.com/mdffr7

Note that at that time "Shivraj Khokra" still styled himself as "Shivraj Singh", and that the two pseudonyms designate one and the same person is demonstrated, for instance, by the Yahoo!ID displayed in this post (taken at random as an example of Shivraj's "double name"):

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/IndiaArchaeology/message/6035

It would be fair, at this point, if our "friend" disclosed, once and for all, his true identity to us. I hate to talk with Internet users who hide their identity behind a pseudonym.

Regards,
Francesco