Re: Venet(d)ic issues Was Re: [tied] Clonix, Clondicus

From: patrick cuadrado
Message: 64791
Date: 2009-08-17

i don't think that
(P)osismii<>(P)ostimii = the ultimates in celtic

Latin Postumus. Osque Postmas




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--- En date de : Lun 17.8.09, george knysh <gknysh@...> a écrit :

De: george knysh <gknysh@...>
Objet: Re: Venet(d)ic issues Was Re: [tied] Clonix, Clondicus
À: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Date: Lundi 17 Août 2009, 15h58

 

--- On Mon, 8/17/09, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@... com> wrote:

My Armorican conjecture needs for the Veneti and Osismi to be non-Celtic, at least in language. And sailing the sea is not really a Celtic thing.

****GK: That's one of the problems with Tacitus' "Venedi". There is nothing "maritime" about them. Not even "riverine" as with the later Vikings.****

> > But the Aestii, as related here
> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Aestii
> > might be related to the Osismi/Ostimoi
> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Osismi
>
> GK: Have you checked this in Caesar, Pliny, and Strabo?
It's a conjecture. They don't mention any connection.

Why would Tacitus' spelling differ ?

****GK: The reason I ask is that Tacitus usually followed Caesar's "peoples" spelling. And if his Aestii= Ostomoi/Osismi he might have been expected not just to use that spelling but to make a connection with them rather than with the "British". Or connect his mysterious East European Venedi with the Gaulish or Italic Veneti...OTOH if the linguistic disconnection had happened a very long time before...*** *

> OTOH what if "Venedic" (Baltic and in the interior) was a
> language exhibiting both "Celtic" and "Illyrian" traits?

I'd have to have a list of traits to determine that.

> I'll have a look at and make a list of some "Celto-Illyrian" names
> associated with the Zarubinians (who largely stemmed from the
> Pomorians/Lusatians

****GK: I'll have a list in a couple of weeks.****
Torsten