--- In cybalist@... s.com, "caotope" <johnvertical@ ...> wrote:
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> Apologies if this comes over multiple times. Yahoo is refusing me the sent-message confirmation.
>
> > > > > You're not paying attention. Let's go over this again - there
> > > > > are two Baltic-Finnic words here, and you seem to be confused
> > > > > as to what applies to what:
> > > > > *piki "pitch", a trivial loan from Germanic (which might
> > > > > itself be a substrate loan, but that's not relevant for BF)
> > > > > *pihka "resin", regularly cognate with Khanty *peG@...; this
> > > > > link means it cannot be a West European substrate loan, and
> > > > > confirms that the *h is from former *S.
> > > >
> > > > No, *you* are not paying attention. I said 'substrate loan',
> > > > not 'West European substrate loan'. A substrate common to
> > > > FU/Uralic and northern IE.
> > >
> > > How far do you think this stretches exactly?
> >
> > Oh well. I'll repeat myself. The language I'm talking about is Kuhn's ur-/ar- language and Schrijver's language of geminates and language of bird names, all three of which I think is one and the same language.
>
> Well, I've yet to spot any wider a/u alternation within Uralic substrate loans, and "having geminates" or "having names for birds" are not sufficient grounds for identifying a language.
>
***R Geminates vs. non-geminates distinguishes Italian from the other Romance languages
***R Such monikers as "Bird Language,"Apple Language," "Banana Language" and Folkish are just shorthand for a salient feature
***R I want to hear more
If this is the style you intend to use, this conversation stops right here.
Torsten