Vermin words

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
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> >
> > > > But I do have nice etymology for
> > > > ON maðkr, Da. maddike, Sw. mask, mark "maggot", I could give
> > > > you.
> > >
> > > Shoot, you kno you want to.
> > >
> > Pokorny
> > 1. math- oder moth- in Worten für nagendes, beißendes Gewürm oder
> > Ungeziefer ? ?
> > Arm. mat´il ,Laus'; got. maþa, m. ahd. mado,
> > ags. maða ,Wurm, Made', aisl. maþkr ds., aschwed. matk,
> > finn. Lw. matikka ,Würmchen'.
> >
> > Standard stuff. Note the Armenian form.
> >
> > From
> > Pokorny's
> > I. mol- (auch smel-), mel&- : mle:-,
> > etc
> >
> > add
> >
> > ahd. mil(i)wa ,Milbe' (*melwjo);
> > got. malo: n.,
> > aisl. mo,lr (*molu-) ,Motte (mehlmachendes Tierchen');
> > abg. molI (*moli-) ds.,
> > arm. dial. m&GmóG (aus *mol/mol/) ,Motte';
> >
> > OK too.
> >
> > and
> >
> >
> > Etymological Dictionary of the Kartvelian Languages:
> >
> > Common Kartvelian
> > *ma-t.l- 'worm': Georg. mat.l- 'worm';
> > Megr. munt.ur-; Laz munt.u(r)-, munt.r-; Svan m&t..
> > The lexeme is well attested in Old Georgian
> > (mat.li mati ara daesrulebis 'their worm dieth not' Mk. 9.48).
> > It must be taken to be a nominal derivative with a prefix ma-
> > from the verb stem *t.l- 'to gnaw (about worms)'. Georgian l and
> > Zan ur regularly reflect an old l. The original vowel underwent a
> > change a > o > u in Megrelian in proximity to the labial. The
> > vocalism of the Svan form needs explanation.
> >
> >
> > Now look at the distribution. Kartvelian, Armenian, Germanic, and
> > the word is derivable in Kartvelian only.
> >
> > That looks kinda solid. But, complication:
> >
> > Common Kartvelian(?) *mG- 'moth(?)':
> > Georg. mG-il- 'moth, a small worm'; Svan mG-ul 'insect'.
> > The word is found in Old Georgian: arca mGilman ganrq.unis...
> > 'neither moth corrupteth...' Lk. 12.33. The Georgian and Svan
> > cognates have different derivational affixes (the final l of the
> > inherited stem could not have been preserved in Svan).
> >
> > this seems to be related, but not derivable from *t.l-
> >
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/48943
> >
>
> I'd better add some context:
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/11133
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/29502
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/63992
>
>

I forgot these Kartvelian entries:

Common Kartvelian *t.il- 'louse':
Georg. t.il- 'louse'; Megr. t.i(j)-; Laz mt.i-, mt.ij-; Svan t.is..
Well known from Old Georgian (t.ili... dasxmul iq.o 'it was swarmed... with lice' Krest.. 156.25-26). The word-final l of the Zan cognate is lost, whereas its initial m is a secondary augmentation. It is an example of correspondence between Georg. l and Svan s.. Sometimes one believes that the Svan form has been borrowed from a Zan source (cf. C^ikobava 1942: 118). The word underlies the verb stem *t.is1-wn-.
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Georgian-Zan *t.is1-wn-
'to seek for insects, examine clothes with the object of insects':
Georg. t.izn- 'to seek for insects, examine clothes with the object of finding insects';
Megr. t.is.on-; Laz t.is.on-, t.is.in-.
Verbal formation undoubtedly related to the above-mentioned *t.il-. It contains the historical word-forming affix *-wn. The dialectal Georgian (Kartl.) t.isvn- corresponds precisely to the Zan cognates in the phonetics (action nouns Megr. t.is.onua-, Laz o-t.is.on-u). In Laz there is also a variant where o has been changed into i: ti ut.is.inums 'cleans, combs out his hair' (C^.T. I 55.27-28). Despite Kips.idze (1914: XX) the stem has nothing to do with Arm. tas.el 'to stroke'.
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Common Katvelian *t.l- 'to eat up (about worms)':
Georg. t.l- 'to eat up (about worms)';
Megr. [t.ul-]; Laz [t.ul-]; Svan [t.-].
Verb stem. In Old Georgian it is represented by the action noun t.l-ob-a- 'worm eating' (Abula3e 1973: 413). Cf. also Georg. t.l-u- 'worm eaten tree (without branches)'. According to Sar3^vela3e (1980: 116) this stem underlies the Common Kartvelian derivative *mat.l- 'worm'. Some authors note its similarity to the Indo-European designations of decay and plant-louse.


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