From: tgpedersen
Message: 64577
Date: 2009-08-03
> > > GK: Correction. Here is the Kulikov text on this: "TheI'll manage. Celtic, you said?
> > characteristics of the burial rite of the amber country
> > which exemplifies equine headgear of the Proto-Vimose and
> > Vimose type [GK: i.e. the Celtic stuff] are particularly
> > interesting.
> >
> > Very interesting.
> > Vimose is on Fyn (the island you couldn't spell).
> > Tell me more about its Celticness.
> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Vimose
> > http://tinyurl.
> > com/l5pqww
> > You're winging it again, right?
> >
> > ****GK: I said "Celtic stuff" as an abbreviation of a
> > previous post outlining the Celtic origins of this type of
> > object. The fact that it is named after Vimose is just a
> > matter of convenience. Here is Kulikov: "The Celtic material of
> > 100 BCE-> 100 CE etc., (as cited earlier)". He then continues:"In
> > all their areas [i.e. those of the Celts GK] at the end of La
> > Tene we find bronze chain type belts, predecessors of the details
> > of the Vimose type equine headgears."... "Among the finds
> > discovered in the camps of 1rst c. CE Roman legions ... are many
> > type Rh1 equine headgears predecessors of Vimose (called Proto-
> > Vimose [in the professional literature GK]) the originating
> > source of the Vimose equine headgear type prepared on such Celtic
> > models for Rome's auxiliary cavalry." Try not to choke
> > (:=)).****)>
> > Thirty years ago [GK 1974. Unfortunately the K. onlineI though the Przework inhumations were older than the southern Elbe Germanic ones?
> > version doesn't include the title of the sources]the most
> > authoritative (and heretofore the sole) investigator of the
> > burial ritual of the Aestii of Roman times, Jan Jaskanis,
> > had somewhat a priori noted the West Baltic origin of the
> > biritualistic tradition of the 1-4 cs. in southeastern
> > Baltia... But in fact we lack foundations for the assertion
> > of the West Baltic authenticity of the carriers of the
> > tradition of biritualism in the amber country of Roman
> > times. In the Przeworsk area to the south... the appearance
> > of inhumations. .. are interpreted as the appearance in the
> > north of some Marcomanni and Quadi (Nieweljowski, A., 1981).
> >
> >
> > That's a new one. But the Marcomanni and Quadi were
> > neighbors of the Yasigi, so why not.
> >
> > What is most likely though is
> > that this "appearance" (since the (earlier) inhumations are
> > principally female) is to be interpreted as the existence of
> > matrimonial relations between ethnically related
> > communities. "
> > >
> >
> > The appearance of inhumations should be interpreted as the
> > existence of matrimonial relations between ethnically
> > related communities? What does that mean?
>
> ****GK: Presumably that Lugians and Gutones took Marcomannian and
> Quadian wives who were buried according to their rite. Which partly
> adopted inhumations under Celtic influence.****
> > There were some relations through marriage betweenwhat happens among the Danes? I do, since I'm one of them.
> > ethnically related communities and then they decided they
> > should be interred in mounds without cremations? But in
> > Denmark there exist many relations through marriage between
> > ethnically related communities and yet they don't build
> > mounds and inter their loved ones in them. Why is that?
> >
> > Torsten
>
> ****GK: Who cares?
> The important point is that professional archaeologists confirmYes they do. They confirm the essential Germanicness of a suddenly appearing upper class which wanted to distinguish themselves by being buried in mounds or in inhumation graves separate from the common Germanic cremating riff-raff, and which seemed to be fond of horses.
> time and again the essentially Germanic inventory of both cremation
> and inhumation graves in 1rst c. Germania.
> And no one sees any analogies between Sarmatian and GermanicAnd evidence to the contrary are stray finds of straying weapons etc.
> inhumations
> (which is why they don't bother to waste their time onThey have families to support and know better than to do otherwise.
> refutations).