From: gknysh
Message: 64350
Date: 2009-07-07
>****GK: I stand to be corrected on this, but my impression is that the classical Yazygi had been assimilated by the end of the 5th c. The Yazygi groups which existed in the 2nd c. (there were basically four: (1)the largest in Hungary,(2) a fairly large group associated with the Roxolani still basically located west of the sea of Azov and (3) two smallish groups west of the Dnipro (one south of Kyiv and another on the middle Dnister). The two small (3) groups disappear as of the 3rd c. Group (2) accompanied the Roxolani when they migrated into Hungary (acc. to Harmatta in the later 3rd c.). The Yazygi and Roxolani were no longer distinguished as of the 4th c. They were called plain "Sarmatians". I think we last hear of such in the later 5th c. in France.*****
> >Torsten is a Snorrist ideologue.
>
> BTW, did the "Yas" earlier the 13th century to the same Yazyg
> nation (or tribal group)?
> the Mongolian invasion, fled from regions near the rivers Pruth and****GK: I think these "Yassy" were kindred to the last big Iranic invasion of Europe, that of the Alans. We know that many followed Attila and eventually dispersed all over the West. Many however stayed in the east. An important group were close associates of the Khazars (and even had their own "kaganate' in eastern Ukraine. These Yas had close relations with groups of incoming Magyars in the 9th c. but I don't know if any of them already followed the latter into Hungary at that time. In any case their kaganate was totally destroyed by the Pechenegs in ca. 889 ss. (some of the survivors actually joined the Pecheneg confederacy) So the movement of Yas into Hungary could have been a very complex and drawn out thing, though the best known one is what you mention below. And of course there were the Yas which stayed behind period and eventually became the Ossetians****
> Dnestr to Hungary,
> Theiss), in the vicinity of the Cumans (who had been their neighbors
> in Moldavia betw. the Carpathian range and Dnestr). The relevant
> Tissa regions in Hungary are called in "Jászság" /'ya:s-Sa:g/ and
> "Kunság" /'kun-Sa:g/, meaning "Yassia" (or... Ossetia) and "Cumania".
> Numerous toponyms over there start with Jász- /ya:s/, e.g. Jászberény
> (berény might be a trace of a lesser known Turkic tribe, the
> Berendeys).
>
> It could be that some important lexemes in Hungarian to be loanwords
> from them (if not from another "layer" or from other tribes, carriers
> of some Iranian dialect), such as the words for "God, lady, gold,
> customs=douane, bridge" /fonetically: 'i$taen, 'asson~, 'OrOn~,
> va:m, hi:d/.
>
> George
>