I claimed nothing down there; maybe I forgot to put the question marks...
Let aside the "accepted" etymology of izba (nowadays everyone can find it easily):
it is interesting that Vasmer mentions verbs топить
, истопить 'drown, sink, heat, fire, melt' and concludes that any linkage among these words and izba (h/istba; OCS
истъба) is nothing more but a folk-etymological imagery. Nevertheless, Grimm explains that there was a German verb stoben (not imperfect of stieben) with the meaning "schmoren, dämpfen"; i.e. with the very close meaning to the above-mentioned Slavic verbs (topit', istopit, stopiti; cf. Eng. stove). Even the German verb stieben (to spray) could be related to Slavic sipat 'yank, shoot, shake, spray' (without /t/, which might be unetymologycal in stieben as well as in Slavic istŭba; or this sounds /st/ or /ʃt/ split from an unique former sound... maybe from the voiceless palatal-velar fricative /
ɧ/).
A certain Romance word could possible be the source of Slavic izba, but here there is also V.Lat. extufo, extufare 'to stew', which is "going back" again to Slavic istopit, is-topi = ex-tufo.
Of course, I see that any "unscientific assumptions" are not welcome here and therefore I won't discuss this subject any farther.
Regards,
Anatoly
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From: gpiotr@...
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:52:59 +0200
Subject: Re: [tied] RE: Siwe - House-Father
On 2009-06-13 13:18, Anatoly Guzaev wrote:
> Dear Piotr!
> Yes, it looks like there are a few different branches of unrelated
> words. But, don't you think that soba/izba (room, cottage) and osoba
> (person) may be mutually interrelated in the same way as human (Lat.
> homo) and home (Lat. domus; cf. dominus and homo -inis). Simply, I don't
> believe that something like that can happen by chance. Also, Latin domus
> vs. dominus and Slavic dom against Sr-Cr. domaćin (host vs. house;
> Sloven. hiša and gospodar: Cz. hospodář = haus-father) .
<osoba> and <izba> are not related. The latter comes from Old Russian
<istUba> (cf. OCz. jistba, OPol. (h)istba, OCS jIstUba etc.), probably
borrowed from some very early Romance source. Nor is Lat. homo related
to English home (it _is_ cognate to Old English guma 'man', but that's a
different story) or English house to the first element of Slavic
gospod-. Sorry, but you have to learn some facts and rules first if you
want to contribute anything sensible to discussions of etymology.
Piotr
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