Re: Latin /a/ after labials, IE *mori

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

> > A) mane:re falls in the rule above so we regularly have:
> >
> > 1. *mon-éh1- > mane:re
>
> That's how Schrijver explains it, but not how IE fientives are formed.
> The expected grade is zero, not *o.

Some non-zero-grade -eh1- forms:

Lith. lauketi 'wait' < louhk-eh1-tei [Derksen]
Lith. niìedėti `despise' < h3neid-eh1- (h3noid-eh1-?) [Derksen]
Lith sėdėìti `sit' < sed-eh1-

So *mon-eh1- is Ok.

(despite R(z)-eh1/h1 in LIV)


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> > BUT In this Context *mon-éye would have been resulted again as *mane:re
> > 'to warn' but Semantically is different from mane:re 'to stay' : so is
> > normal to be retained/restored as an o-causative mone:re
>
> This is an ad hoc explanation.

If for you is Ok to have in the same language mane:re 'to remain' and mane:re 'to warn' and to continue to use them like this for the next 200 years than is 'ad-hoc' for sure.

But normally anybody wants to can clearly say 'I remain' in place that 'I warn'

In relation with the inventions m(&)n- m(&)rei-, the explanation above is quite an elegant one: keeping under the same rules clear etymologies like *mori > mare ; *mon- > manus, *morg^o:- > margo: etc...


In fact the &-solution here: m(&)n- m(&)rei- is an ad-hoc one
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III.

> > B. mora 'pause, delay' is from the root *merh- so it was *morh-eh2
> > And in this case, we have a closed syllable here: *mor-heh2
>
> No, the Indo-Iranian treatment of the root (Skt. perf. sasma:ra <
> se-smór-e, adj. smr.tá- 'remembered' < *smr.tó-) rules out a final
> laryngeal.
> Piotr

Matassovic agrees with me:

Proto-Celtic: *mar-o- 'remain' [Verb]

Old Irish: maraid, -mair 'last, remain'; marathair, -marathar [Subj.]; meìraid, meìra [Fut.]

Proto-Indo-European: *merH-

Page in Pokorny: 969f. (*(s)mer-)

IE cognates: Lat. mora 'delay'

References: KPV 476, LEIA M-19



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