Re: Celtic Tanarus and Gmc Thunaraz

--- On Fri, 3/27/09, alexandru_mg3 <alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:

> From: alexandru_mg3 <alexandru_mg3@...>
> Subject: [tied] Re: Celtic Tanarus and Gmc Thunaraz
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 9:12 PM
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> --- In cybalist@...
> s.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@
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> > --- In cybalist@...
> s.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@ >
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> > > --- In cybalist@...
> s.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@> wrote:
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> > > > On 2009-03-25 13:18, A. wrote:
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> > > > > Thus Matasovic follows Pokorny and
> Watkins in saying that PIE *(s)ten-r-
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> > > > > is the origin of Thunder/Donner ; and
> yet Matasovic disagrees with
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> > > > > Pokorny by staing that the Celtic forms
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> > > > > PIE root (*tor-) but rather from a
> metathesis of *tonaro- > *torano-.
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> > > > > On the other hand, the IE database of
> Nikolaev and Starostin, gives
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> > > > > Proto-IE: *taron- <PIH *-rH-> as
> the origin of BOTH the Celtic Taran and
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> > > > > the Gmc Thunr/Thunraz; as well as the
> Hittite Tarhun and other derivatives.
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> > > > > Any ideas on whether Taran and Thunder
> share a common IE root
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> > > > > (whether that root be *taron- [per
> Nikolaev and Starostin] or (s)tene-
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> > > > > [per Matasovic] )?
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> > > > The PCl. form is reconstructed as *torano-(~
> *-i-, *-u-, *-a:-), with
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> > > > the Gallo-Brittonic assimilation or *-oRa-
> > -aRa-, a process that seems
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> > > > to have remained productive for some time,
> cf. Lat. monachus --> W.
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> > > > manach. The underlying root may be *terh1-
> 'pierce, bore' (the usual
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> > > > derivation),
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> > > Piotr, the name of the Celtic God Tanarus is put
> in link with the Luwian Storm-God/Thunder- God Tarh_unt- /
> Hittite Tarh_un.
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> > > The name of the Anatolian God is linked to
> Hittite tarh_ 'to conquer, to defeat, to overpower, to
> cross'
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> > > As I know, in Hittite, the h1 is vanished and h3
> is preserved (sometimes?) only in the initial position of
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> > > So the single choice remains h2 ...
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> > > In this case the derivation should be traced to
> terh2- 'to cross-over,
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> > > Marius
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> > sorry please read Gaulish God Taranus
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> > Marius
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> And if the Taranis ~ Tarhun- are cognates his name was
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> "That one that crosses over the sky" -
> "Celui qui traverse le ciel"
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> Marius
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As does thunder