From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 63657
Date: 2009-03-28
>And if the Taranis ~ Tarhun- are cognates his name was
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 2009-03-25 13:18, A. wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thus Matasovic follows Pokorny and Watkins in saying that PIE *(s)ten-r-
> > > > is the origin of Thunder/Donner ; and yet Matasovic disagrees with
> > > > Pokorny by staing that the Celtic forms do not derive from a distinct
> > > > PIE root (*tor-) but rather from a metathesis of *tonaro- > *torano-.
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, the IE database of Nikolaev and Starostin, gives
> > > > Proto-IE: *taron- <PIH *-rH-> as the origin of BOTH the Celtic Taran and
> > > > the Gmc Thunr/Thunraz; as well as the Hittite Tarhun and other derivatives.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas on whether Taran and Thunder share a common IE root
> > > > (whether that root be *taron- [per Nikolaev and Starostin] or (s)tene-
> > > > [per Matasovic] )?
> > >
> > > The PCl. form is reconstructed as *torano-(~ *-i-, *-u-, *-a:-), with
> > > the Gallo-Brittonic assimilation or *-oRa- > -aRa-, a process that seems
> > > to have remained productive for some time, cf. Lat. monachus --> W.
> > > manach. The underlying root may be *terh1- 'pierce, bore' (the usual
> > > derivation),
> >
> >
> > Piotr, the name of the Celtic God Tanarus is put in link with the Luwian Storm-God/Thunder-God Tarh_unt- / Hittite Tarh_un.
> >
> > The name of the Anatolian God is linked to Hittite tarh_ 'to conquer, to defeat, to overpower, to cross'
> >
> > As I know, in Hittite, the h1 is vanished and h3 is preserved (sometimes?) only in the initial position of the words.
> >
> > So the single choice remains h2 ...
> >
> > In this case the derivation should be traced to terh2- 'to cross-over,
> > Marius
>
>
> sorry please read Gaulish God Taranus
>
> Marius