From: tgpedersen
Message: 63257
Date: 2009-02-20
>Which is one reason I didn't say that. But is there a disappearing
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
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> > Nah, I was just over-reacting because I felt you were deflecting
> > the point I was trying to make: that's a real knife, and that's
> > real aggression under the cover of Narrenfreiheit. The point was
> > that this type of strange reactions is the last thing that
> > disappears after the language, the culture and the last substrate
> > loans have gone: you see that and you know something old ethnic
> > is going on under the surface.
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> I have trouble understanding you, it seems: to me, it sounds like
> you are saying that the Dutch language, culture, and substrate
> loans have gone or are disappearing. Of course that is the opposite
> of the truth.
> So I can only think then that you mean that their ScottishAll this is wonderfully rational thinking. But Joan spoke with a Scots
> language, culture, and substrate loans have gone, and their humor
> represents "something old ethnic" but Scottish. But did they ever
> have Scottish culture or substrate loans living in the
> Netherlands? I doubt that in the modern world their Scottish
> mother would care very much about preserving their Scottish
> language, culture, and substrate loans, assuming that these would
> be Gaelic or Lowland Scots, since English nowadays is probably not
> in such danger. I say this because if she did, she probably would
> not have married a Dutch man and moved to the Netherlands. And the
> odds are that she would have been a native (Scottish) English
> speaker anyway, rather than Gaelic or Lowland Scots.
> But maybe I still haven't understood you. I don't know. When IYou got it this time.
> saw these girls I didn't pick up on all the ethnic tragedy that
> could be beneath their antics, like you did. I just thought they
> were having fun like girls often like to do (you know, "Girls Just
> Wanna Have Fun"? OK bad joke), and that's all I was saying by my
> comments. So there was no intention of deflecting your point, I
> wasn't really yet aware of it. Any deflection was unintentional,
> it was partly due to my lack of comprehension of your theory, and
> because I thought you had already made your point and I could still
> make a superficial comment.
> Right now, thinking about your point, I also wonder whether theTragedy is a strong word; their Learn Dutch videos are poking fun at
> girls would be aware of what they were doing, if their humor was a
> coping mechanism for the tragedy in their lives (which tragedy is
> hard to see just from those Youtube clips), if this is your point.
> I would think the girls would not be conscious of that, that theirI agree.
> expressed intention would be to have some fun, make some jokes,
> make people laugh, and make people notice them - all not
> necessarily requiring a special ethnic situation as you have
> emphasized.
> Anyway, I hope you continue to believe that I was not out to ignorePart of my annoyance was that I expected you not to get it, not out of
> you or snub you or "knife" you or anything like that. I'm not that
> kind of person, I seek to understand, be happy, and make others
> happy.
> That's all. I don't try to wound other people.