Re: [tied] Franco-Provençal

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From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Franco-Provençal






--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Arnaud Fournet <fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:

> From: Arnaud Fournet <fournet.arnaud@...>
> Subject: Re: [tied] Franco-Provençal
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 3:32 AM
> You might also be interested to read this:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_France
>
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> Ultra-leftist garbage claiming to be a scientific
> description.

There is absolutely nothing leftist about this. It also seems to be
accurate. I doubt if the US has a better track record on minority languages.

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Ok
Let us analyse that ultra-leftist garbage bit after bit.

***
Besides French, there exist many other vernacular minority languages of
France, both in the metropolitan territory of continental Europe and in the
French overseas territories. These languages have no official status. The
1999 report[2] written for the French government by Bernard Cerquiglini
identified 75 languages that would qualify for recognition under the
government's proposed ratification of the European Charter for Regional or
Minority Languages.
***

To start with, I wonder what these **languages** really are.
These people must be completely under-informed.
I wonder why **Alsatian** is worth considering a _dialect_ of German, when
**Picard** is a _language_.
Both of these statements are complete garbage.
Alsatian does not exist. Northern dialects in Alsatia are more or less
Hochdeutsche Mundarten when southern dialects are Schwytz.
Alsatian is a complete linguistic fiction.
And nobody in Alsatia ever demanded a special status for something that does
not even exist.

Picard is a typical Parisian leftist bullshit.
These idiots don't even know what they are talking about.
None of those idiots ever met a real patois speaker. Otherwise they would
know about about nobody claims to be speaking **Picard**.
But it's the way things are. Some idiot in a Parisian cabinet fancies about
Picard existing for real and then, a score of media suckers scurry about
looking for real Picard-speakers.
Just add some profit-making greed and you can get a film...

***
Next !

Romance languages: Catalan, Corsican, Franco-Provençal, Oïl languages (other
than French), Occitan, Italian
Germanic languages: Alsatian, Dutch (West Flemish) and Franconian German
Celtic languages: Breton
Isolate languages: Basque
The non-French Oïl languages and Franco-Provençal are highly endangered. The
other languages are still spoken but are all considered endangered.

***
Corsican is just a dialect of Italian. What is the reason to count Corsican
and Italian twice !? Where is Italian spoken but in Corsica !?
Who is stupid enough to have ever thought than northern varieties of
"patois" could be _languages_ **other** than French.
Complete BullShit. I suppose nobody in my family would ever claim that
talking patois is not talking French in a way or another.
Occitan has never had any historical existence but in the romantic fancies
of 1960ies leftists, who are not even level 1 rememberers.
Look at those youtube films. All those idiots are people in their forties
who can't put two words of dialect in a row.
Shut up you idiots !
None of these varieties has any feature to claim to be a _language_.

**
Other Breton education comes from catholic schools and private schools,
Dihun and Diwan, respectively.
***

Diwan is a sect.
Their transgenic "breton" is not even understandable by real native Breton
speakers.
Complete bullshit once again.
A.


*******
A long campaign of defacing road signs led to the first bilingual road signs
in the 1980s
*******

Pff
All this childish pseudo-agitation leads nowhere.
I suppose people have long gotten fed up with that bullshit since the
1970ies.
Now the new wave of idiots burns up MacDonald restaurants to get more
subsidies from Brussels.

This site is 100% bullshit.
It's got one full generation retardation.

A.