Re: Kuhn's ar-/ur-language

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud Fournet" <fournet.arnaud@...>
wrote:

>
>
> > > =========
> > > What's the connection of Spanish (?) vega with Lit vaga ?
> >
> > Do you find it historically preposterous and semantically
> > doubtful? ;-)
> >
> > =======
> > Indeed,
> > Not to speak about phonetic problems comparing *vaica with *vaga.
> > A.
> > =======
>
> *vaica??
>
> Si
> Es la reconstruccion de la Real Academia Espanyola.
> voz prerromana : *vaica
> A.
> =========

If you don't back that up with the premises, I'll ignore it.
I can't read everything.

>
> > The reconstructed roots I quote from UEW are phonetically and
> > semantically similar, but the authors have not managed to relate
> > them to each other with any known Uralic derivation process.
> >
> > =======
> > I missed the similarity !?
> > A.
> > ========
>
> Try again. This time I'll reinterpret the semantics of the UEW
> roots.
>
> U:
> 1) an,tV (on,tV) "pointy object" U
> 2) on,tV "pointy object" U
> 3) utka "isthmus, long narrow headland/promontory" U
>
> ========
> As I told you before, it's :
> PU *amt "horn"
> Ostyak *oN&t "horn" (another word)

Yawn.

> The third word supposedly **utka is better reconstructed *ux&t and
> it means "way, path, track".

Well, I disagree.

>
> cf ON oddi "landspitze etc"
>
> For the benefit of those who don't live in an archipelago I'll show
> some exaples of what Da. 'odde' is:
> http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odde
> http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sj%C3%A6llands_Odde
> http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billede:Denmark_location_map.svg
> And Skagens Odde is the headland on top of Jutland.
> An 'odde' is usually flat. Hilly headlands are called 'næs'
> The situation is this: If your boat is sufficiently light and
> rickety, you have an actual choice between sailing it around the
> headland and dragging it across it. Hence the dual sense "pointy
> thing"/"leg on a journey".
>
> ========
>
> That's nice.
> Sand dunes and sunny day.

And how is that relevant?

> That could give enough ideas to invert a bad demographic trend.

I'm talking about necessary travel way back, not some dumb pleasure trip.

> but I cannot see how oddi "landspitze" can derive from *amt or
> *oN&t "horn or even worse ox&t "way, track"

> What could be the pre-form of ON oddi ?

Something like *on,Wt- > *õ:t-

> Thank you for the lexical distinction between odde and naes.
> I confirm that the Cap blanc-nez (en français dans le texte !) is
> indeed hilly.
> http://jl.franchomme.free.fr/Sangatte_Blanc_Nez048.jpg
> http://jl.franchomme.free.fr/Sangatte_Blanc_Nez044.jpg
> http://jl.franchomme.free.fr/Sangatte_Blanc_Nez055.jpg
>

http://accel6.mettre-put-idata.over-blog.com/1/36/65/49//Cap-Blanc-Nez-skua-2.jpg

> I don't know if there's any "odde" around there.

That was no lexical distinction, it was my observation

> Do you have a particular word to describe a small steep-sided
> valley or gully between two naeses ?

The only place we have something like that is Kalundborg fjord,
between Røsnæs(Refsnæs) and Asnæs, but we don't have a name for it
that I know of. I'm collecting stuff to that Kal-/Hal- name (cf.
Hilleviones), it seems to have old connections.

> BTW, in 'utka', the Samoyed cognates in *n,- and *w- pleased me; it
> seems the root might be connected to that common "water" root
> *(a)n,W-

> ========
> By the way (sic !), as you unvoluntarily wrote,

I thought I wrote that voluntarily?

> Samoyedic regularly adds #N- to words which originally were #u- or
> #o-
> I'm afraid your pleasure is going to be short-lived.
> Nice try !

Or FU loses *n,W- from U roots.


Torsten