Re: Kuhn's ar-/ur-language

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud Fournet" <fournet.arnaud@...>
wrote:

>
>
> > What would he say to Sp. vega?
> >
> > =========
> > What's the connection of Spanish (?) vega with Lit vaga ?
>
> Do you find it historically preposterous and semantically doubtful? ;-)
>
> =======
> Indeed,
> Not to speak about phonetic problems comparing *vaica with *vaga.
> A.
> =======

*vaica??

> > There are three possibilities:
> >
> > 1) IE or some dialect of it is a substrate of Uralic (in which
> > case
> > IE stretches east of the Ural mountains)
> > 2) Uralic or some dialect of it is a substrate of IE (in which case
> > Uralic stretches to England)
> > 3) The above word belongs to a substrate of IE and Uralic.
> >
> > ============
> > I can see more than one word.
> > As usual, you make a huge heap of words
> > and draw a rather unexpected conclusion out of it.
> > Could you explain how you reach that conclusion ?
>
> That *ak^- etc root in Pokorny is a mess. It has a lot of side forms
> with strange unexplained extensions. It looks like the whole complex
> was formed in another language than IE.
>
> ========
> I would rather say that it belongs to the kind of beautiful
> cathedral standard comparatists like to build out of H2ek, with H2
> having 8 different values, as I have previously written.
> A.
> ========

Same thing.

> The reconstructed roots I quote from UEW are phonetically and
> semantically similar, but the authors have not managed to relate
> them to each other with any known Uralic derivation process.
>
> =======
> I missed the similarity !?
> A.
> ========

Try again. This time I'll reinterpret the semantics of the UEW roots.

U:
1) an,tV (on,tV) "pointy object" U
2) on,tV "pointy object" U
3) utka "isthmus, long narrow headland/promontory" U

cf ON oddi "landspitze etc"

For the benefit of those who don't live in an archipelago I'll show
some exaples of what Da. 'odde' is:
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odde
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sj%C3%A6llands_Odde
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billede:Denmark_location_map.svg
And Skagens Odde is the headland on top of Jutland.
An 'odde' is usually flat. Hilly headlands are called 'næs'
The situation is this: If your boat is sufficiently light and rickety,
you have an actual choice between sailing it around the headland and
dragging it across it. Hence the dual sense "pointy thing"/"leg on a
journey".

> And recently I found an article, but I can't find it again, which
> claimed the IE and Baltic Finnic ares had two separate paternal gene
> lines, but the same maternal gene lines. Which would mean IE and FU
> are both foreign in Europe, and you'd expect loans from the same
> extinct European substrate in both.
>
> BTW, I think the U *utka "Spur" should be "leg/stage of a journey"
> (étape to you), note the obs. Hung. sense "times".
>
> Torsten
>
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>
> So ?
>

See above.

BTW, in 'utka', the Samoyed cognates in *n,- and *w- pleased me; it
seems the root might be connected to that common "water" root *(a)n,W-


Torsten