Re: s-stems in Slavic and Germanic

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "altamix" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
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> > > I don't think non-native speakers "ran" German or Russian,
> > > otherwise these languages would be very different today,
> > > wouldn't they? I think it depends on the language, each
> > > language's particular situation.
> >
> > Turkic-speakers 'ran' Bulgarian and Macedonian, and today they
> > have no case system, unlike all other Slavic languages.
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> < SNIP >
> > Torsten
> >
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> are you sure that Turkic-speakers are these who influenced
> Bulgarian language?

No, I'm not sure of much, in general.

> So far I know, their influence on the Bulgarian
> language is reduced just to words borrowing and eventually some
> sufixes, mostly obsolete now in the language. I remember about
> Bulgarian as beeing said, the Romance and "Thracic" should be these
> who influenced the language. The Turkish Bulgars it is said to have
> been assimilated and they should left just a few traces in the
> language, most of them very disputet, even today. Beside of the old
> Bulgars and beside of the Otoman Turks, the other Turkish speaking
> people ( Avars, Cumans, etc) could not influence the language, at
> least not in the manner of losing its flexion.

Do you have a better cause?
They ran the show, which means you don't correct them when they talk
funny. And 'park na kultarata' is easier for a learner to get his head
around than 'park kultury' (found both on maps).

BTW, one Dutch woman I asked about the intercomprehensibilty (phew) of
Dutch and Afrikaans said Afrikaans was Dutch baby-talk (no offense
intended to users of known or supposed creoles).

Question: how do the various Russian govorka's deal with genitive?


Torsten