Re[2]: [tied] OE Tir and OHG Ziari

At 9:15:41 PM on Sunday, February 1, 2009, A. wrote:

> In modern heathenry, Asatru, Norse paganism, whatever you
> wish to call it; it is frequently remarked over and over
> that ON Týr, OE Ti:w, and PGmc *Ti:waz are all derived
> from the same PGmc root as OE ti:r, ON tírr, and OHG
> ziari.

That's definitely false as stated: the PGmc. sources are
clearly different, though I gather that the PIE roots to
which they can be traced back are generally thought to be
related.

> So for the sake of simplifying matters so my small brain
> can grasp them:

> 1) ON Týr & OE Ti:w both derive from PGmc *Ti:waz ; which
> in turn derives from PIE *deiwos and so eventually traces
> back to PIE *dyeu- ??

Yes.

> 2) Whereas OE ti:r,

Which is also OSax.

> ON tírr, and OHG ziari all stem from PGmc. *ti:-ra-, which
> in turn derives from PIE *dih2-ro- and thus PIE *deyh2- ??

I'm not entirely certain that the PGmc. source of OHG
<ziari> has exactly the same vocalism as the OE, OSax, and
ON words, though it clearly belongs with *deyh2-.

> 3) Can you think of any other words derived from PGmc
> *ti:-ya- ?

I'm assuming that you mean *ti:-ra-. Since that's PGmc.,
they'd have to be Gmc. De Vries mentions an OFris. <ti:re>
'Schmucksache' (more or less 'ornamental trinket').

Brian