From: tgpedersen
Message: 62522
Date: 2009-01-18
>I think the problem was that the words Holzer and then Kortlandt
> 2009/1/18 tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...>:
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Petr Hrubis <petr.hrubis@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear All,
> >>
> >> Czech /sver^epy'/ [svEr^Epi:] "wild, stubborn, barbarous, tough" is
> >> usually derived from PSl */svere^pI/, which is in turn derived from
> >> PIE */swe-re:po-/ "self" + */rep/ "to seize".
> >>
> >> I have a question concerning the semantics: is there a parallel
> >> developement in any IE (or non-IE) languages? (i.e. "self" + "seize"
> >> >> "wild, stubborn, tough")
> >>
> >> Thank you very much for any help or advice!
> >>
> >
> > Temematic
> >
> > Georg Holzer, Entlehnungen aus einer bisher unbekannten
> > indogermanischen Sprache im Urslavischen un Urbaltischen.
> > repeated in
> > Frederik Kortlandt, An Indo-European substratum in Slavic?
> > in Languages in Prehistoric Europe
> > etym. no.
> > '11. svere^pU 'ungezähmt' < *k'wer- < *g'hwe:r-,
> > Gr. thé:r 'wildes Tier', Latin ferus, Lith. z^ve.rìs, OCS zve^rI;
> > better than Lith. svarùs 'schwer', Latin se:rius, seve:rus.'
> >
> > Torsten
>
> Oh, thanks a lot, Torsten. And I'm sorry, I confused the /U/ with
> /I/.
> So, the derivation from */swe-re:po-/ is totally impossible?
>
> I'm asking because (1) the Bromum grasses have names derived from
> the adjective, (2) there is the word /r^epi:k/ "stem" in Czech,
> derived from */re:p-/, and there are plenty of both old and new
> compounds with */swe-/ as the forst component. What are the
> objections? I remember having read a mention somewhere that the
> correspondences are irregular within Slavic itself, is that right?