Re: oldest places- and watername in Scandinavia

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From: G&P
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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:15 PM
Subject: RE: [tied] Re: oldest places- and watername in Scandinavia


>how do we establish the existence of H1 and H2
>if at the same time, we admit a purely vocalic a/a: and e/e: ablaut ?

Laryngeals are not only established by vowel colouring. For example (If my
memory is right) h2 will cause aspiration of a preceding voiceless stop, but
h1 won't. h2 appears in Anatolian, but h1 doesn't.
Peter

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Well,
They are _basically_ established by vowel colouring,
if we stop relying on that, much trouble is ahead.

H1 can cause aspiration,
a good example is pHol "to fall" < pH1ol
Cf. Chamito-Semitic paxid "to fall"
x unvoiced velar is H1
(pharyngeal unvoiced is more frequent for H1 but velar also exists).

As regards H2 and H1 in Anatolian,
the behavior is more a matter of convention
as the standard theory circularly posits that H1 does not appear when H2
does.
All this being wrong, I'm afraid.

A.