From: Arnaud Fournet
Message: 61463
Date: 2008-11-08
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From: "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
>>
>
>> What are the exact words of Pliny about "plough" ?
>>
> Searching in the archives with 'Pliny' and 'plough' gets you ia.
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/60572
> Next time, try it yourself.
>
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Pliny words do not contain the word "plough" or plog-
but plaumorati
Your claim that "plough" should be "raetian" is therefore unsupported
not to say falsified.
Arnaud
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>> p/b alternation exists in the NWB words.
>> T.
>>
>> Therefore I disagree with your statement.
>
> And when I said 'p/b alternation exists in the NWB words' it means
> just that, not that p/b alternation exists in the NWB language, as you
> seem to think it means.
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Alternations do not exist in the NWB words
they exist in the reflexes of these words.
I was hinting at the fact the alternation can be attributed to separate
borrowings sources,
some of them really NWB some of them Celtic.
A.
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>> Also check out the corresponding p/b (and also p/f) alternation in
>> substrate words in Jysk
>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/30336
>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/32699
>>
>> Torsten
>>
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>>
>> These few words showing p/b alternation look terribly expressive :
>> boast, gossip, obese, stare, gulp down.
>
> So?
> > Torsten
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Germanic people can have created these alternations separately in each of
their own languages
to make them more expressive according to what they think is expressive.
That very short list of words is therefore not very solid.
And PIE also have alternations like bher/par both of which means "to bear (a
child)"
If we follow your reasoning, PIE is in shreds.
Arnaud
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