Re: Scandinavia and the Germanic tribes such as Goths, Vandals, Angl

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "jouppe" <jouppe@> wrote:
> >
> > Juutti/Juuti- is a perfectly regular loan from an old (eastern)
> > norse form jut- where eu- has already (appr. a.d. 800) undergone
> > the accent shift. There is nothing to suggest that it should be

any

> > older than 12-13th century when the Danish and Swedish crowns
> > competed for supremacy in the Gulf of Finland. Off the southern
> > coast of Finland there are two large islands sw. Ju:sarö <= fi.
> > *Juutinsaari 'Isle of the Danes' and sw. Russarö <= *Rootsinsaari
> > 'Isle of the Swedes'.
> >
> > The etnonym <juutti> 'Dane' is perfectly synonymous with the
> > younger word <tanskalainen> 'Dane'. Juutti just sounds a bit
> > archaic, perhaps dialectal or poetic. Most likely <Juutinrauma>

is

> > an autochtonous construction from the etnonym, that is 'the

stream

> > of the Danes'. It does not necessarily in my view presoppose an
> > original **Jutstraum. In fact such a borrowing would contain a
> > chronological paradox since the word rauma ~ stream must be
> > borrowed from Proto-Norse before the loss of the stem -a whereas
> > Juutti must be borrowed after the accent shifted in a.d. 800.

Thus

> > the name merely prooves that Finnish used the word <Juutti> for

all

> > the Danes (cf. <Saksa> for Germany).
>
> Oh, I get it, you mean the *North Germanic* accent shift in
> PNG /eu/ > Proto-East-Norse /ju/ (West Norse /jó/).
> Why do you place that at 800 CE?
>
>
> Torsten
>

Pages 111 and 117 in: Holm, Gösta 1996: Nordiska studier: femton
uppsatser om ord, namn, dialekter, filologi, stilhistoria och syntax:
Festskrift till Gösta Holm på 80-årsdagen den 8 juli 1996. Platzack,
Christer - Teleman, U. (red.). Lund.