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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
> On 2008-11-02 08:08, tgpedersen wrote:
>
> > I think 'Goth' is a pre-Germanic word which is identical to the word
> > 'Jute'
>
> *Guta- ("Goth") and *Gauta- ("Geat, Gaut") may be related, but they
> are both certainly different from *euta- ("Jute"):
If those are Germanic words then that is certainly true;
if not, not necessarily.
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>
> > and that it designated the various pre-Germanic peoples.
>
> In what way were the East Germanic Goths or the West Germanic Jutes
> "pre-Germanic"?
DEO:
jyde c. "person from Jylland"; ODa. iutæ, No., jyde, jyte, Sw. jute,
ON jótar pl., OE y:te, e:otas pl., OFrk. Eucii pl. (prob. re-formed
from Eutii). The words is of debated origin. Possibly it is an old
designation for "man" and identical to ON ýtar "men"; the
corresponding Gmc. forms *eutan-, *eutian- etc can not be connected to
other IE words ('lader sig ikke sætte i forb. med andre ie. ord').
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SenseOnes/Jutes#Homeland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SenseOnes/Jutes#Philological_confusion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jutes
In the sense that they didn't speak a Germanic language before it was
imposed on them, or that (proto-)Germanic became a lingua franca used
by them in the upheavals of the time.
Torsten