Re: Salt, s-/h- ALLOBROGES

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> From: tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...>
> Subject: [tied] Re: Salt, s-/h- ALLOBROGES
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 7:11 PM
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
> <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Arnaud Fournet
> <fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Arnaud Fournet <fournet.arnaud@...>
> > > Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Salt, s-/h- ALLOBROGES
> > > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 1:34 PM
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "tgpedersen"
> <tgpedersen@...>
> > >
> > > Michel Lejeune,
> > > Manuel de la langue Vénète
> > >
> > > [...]
> > > Torsten
> > >
> > > ======
> > >
> > > Are you sure
> > > the way you are using "Venetic"
> > > makes any sense and has any relationship
> > > with the way Lejeune uses "Vénète" ?
> > >
> > > I'm afraid you are calling someone
> > > as a witness for your "hyper-Venetic"
> case
> > > Who does not support anything of your own
> theories.
> > >
> > > My own understanding of Lejeune
> > > (but I'm ready to acknowledge I'm not
> well enough
> > > versed in it)
> > > is that Lejeune assumes Venetic to be a kind of
> Italic
> > > language.
> > >
> > > Arnaud
> > >
> > > ========
> > I have to agree with Arnaud.
> > Venetic, as we know it and as it has been named, is
> either an Italic
> language or a language closely related to Italic
> ("Italoid" is a term
> I've seen used).
> > In naming conventions, the oldest usage of the name
> usually applies,
> even when it is later determined to be wrong later on
> --e.g. there are
> arguments regarding the identification of Olmecs with
> historical
> Olmecs, and of Tokharians with historical Tokharoi.
> > So if you're are applying Venetic to something
> else than the
> language spoken in NE Italy, you need to distinguish it.
>
> No can do. There's an old tradition for calling
> unclassified bits of
> language from Central Europe Venetic; I follow that, or
> rather I
> follow its speakers themselves in calling them Veneti,
> whether they
> live on the Adria, on the Baltic or somewhere in between.
> You'll have
> to tell from context.
>
>
> Torsten

Not so fast Mr. T. It's the duty of scholars to make their work clear. An' I pity da foo' that obfuscates for the hell of it.
If all we're dealing with are unclassified bits of language, let's refer to them as such: Central European (IE) Remnant Languages or even CERL. And by the way, ain't it 3:00 AM over there right now? Get some sleep and write when your brain is booted up.