From: tgpedersen
Message: 61078
Date: 2008-10-27
>I sent this posting three days ago, and it didn't show up in cybalist
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> >
> Actually I mean Venetic, but one wouldn't like to cause offense, and
> it's the same to me.
>
> Germ. traben, Du. draven "trot" etc have no decent etymology, says
> Grimm. Nor does Germ. trabant, Dutch drabant "foot soldier" /
> "satellite". Grimm points to the Czech lands and 'drav' as origin, >
> but -ant is no Czech suffix. Some have tried to connect it to a
> causative *draif-j-, but the vocalism is wrong.
>
> River names, eg. in Poland *Draw-, *Dram-, *Draw-ant-.
>
> Piotr mentioned that multi-root in his article as behaving like
> another strange multi-root *gax-, *gam- "go", connected to
> regular-ablauting *gWiwH3- (vel sim.!) "live". At least that's how I
> remember it. Hm.
>
> On top of that, the root looks like an a-variant of Gmc. *dri:v-
> "drive", ie as if it were a cognate of it in a pre-ablaut IE
> language.
>
> So I propose Venetic *dran,W- "pull a boat from the bank" ->
> "trotting along next to a horse" (now I'm really pushing it!),
> related somehow to the various draw/drag/trahere/trekken roots (and
> if they were loans from Venetic too, we'd have a solution to the
> problem of the 'wrong' anlauts). Recall Ariovistus' new tactical
> foot soldier + horseman units.
> This is getting interestinger and interestinger.
> Recall that the Germanic class VI strong verbs have PIE (supposedly)
> -a-/-o:-/-o:-/-a- where more predictable Germanic verbs (Class I -
> III) have PIE -e-/-o-/zero/zero.
> The Germanic verb 'dragan' is a class VI verb. As claimed above, we
> have reason to suspect it is a Venetic verb. We also have reason to
> suspect that Venetic (or Old Europen) was a non-ablauting
> a-language, so that a verb in place of the PIE -e-/-o-/zero/zero
> pattern would have -a-/-a-/-a-/-a-. If we assume it had Brugmann
> lengthening in the 3sg perf., and generalized that to all persons
> and tenses, it would have -a-/-a:-/-a:-/-a-. And if that was loaned
> into Germanic before that had a: > o: (which must have happened
> when e: > a:, cf Swe:w- > Swa:w-), then it would have the pattern
> -a-/-o:-/-o:-/-a-, which is exactly Germanic class VI.
> If that is the case, all of class VI
>
> Gothic
> alan, to grow;
> us-anan, to expire;
> faran, to go;
> ga-daban, to beseem;
> ga-draban, to hew out;
> ga-dragan, to heap up;
> graban, to dig;
> af-hlaþan, to lade;
> malan, to grind;
> sakan, to dispute;
> skaban, to shave;
> slahan, to smite;
> standan, to stand;
> swaran, to swear;
> þwahan, to wash;
> wakan, to wake;
>
> OHG
> faran, to go;
> tragan, to carry;
> wahsan, to grow;
> slahan, to strike;
> stantan, to stand;
>
> OE
> alan, to grow;
> calan, to freeze;
> 3alan, to sing;
> 3rafan, to dig;
> hladan, to lade;
> wadan, to go;
> dra3an, to draw;
> 3na3an, to gnaw;
> acan, to ache;
> bacan, to bake;
> sacan, to quarrel;
> sc(e)acan, to shake;
> wasca, to wash;
>
> are loans from Venetic.
>
> Interesting fact: Slav. grob "grave", acc. to Gol/a,b a Gmc > Slav.
> loan, now looks more like a loan Ven > Gmc, Slav.