From: george knysh
Message: 60878
Date: 2008-10-14
--- On Mon, 10/13/08, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
Okulicz' scenario is so complicated I still struggle to comprehend it.
Joz^ef S^avli/Matej Bor don't have any.
Myself, I won't make up my mind before I get my head around the many
details in Okulicz' scenario.
Traditionally Venetic has been associated with Urnfield cultures.
Torsten
****GK: From Shchukin (1997) "The birth of the Slavs", section 4, par. 56:
"Toponyms with the root "vent","vend", "venn", "vind", and sim., are generally scattered across Europe sufficiently widely,and this, as some contend, might witness that all "Veneti" are the remnants of some (the most frequent suggestion-- Illyrian) Old European populations, at one time inhabiting wide expanses of Europe (Okulicz 1984). A believable hypothesis, even if it has as yet no historical or archaeological confirmation."
He goes on: (par. 57) "I can say nothing concerning the affinity or connection of the Adriatic and Armorican Veneti, systematic research on this issue being unknown to me. But the concentration of data on the Baltic and Adriatic Veneti, at the two ends of the Amber route, may not be sheer coincidence. K. Lamberg-Krolovski (1971) surmised as to this the possibility of a transference of the appellative along the Amber route. The amber traffickers being Adriatic Veneti, whose name was subsequently adopted by local populations. Such instances are known in history. Krolovski thought this might have occurred in the 9th-6th c. BCE, when the amber trade did indeed exist (Bouzek 1994). In truth, we have no data as to the existence of Baltic Veneti at such an early date. I am therefore inclined to the thought that such a transference more likely occurred somewhat later, when the amber route was re-established by the special diplomatic efforts of Nero (Kolendo
1981, Shchukin 1994, Shchukin,in print).
(par. 58) This may be supported by some archaeological arguments. From the mid 1rst c. AD begins the "golden age" of the Baltic, accompanied by an obvious cultural upswing (Okulicz 1973: 379)."
He goes on to give many details. Incl. evidence as to population migrations from Roman territory into Lithuania...*****