From: Arnaud Fournet
Message: 60813
Date: 2008-10-11
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From: "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
> Thank you, Torsten,
> I was expecting you would be one of the first to react to my
> request.
I was expecting you come asking sooner or later, you French
crypto-Belg ;-)
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Great,
What do you figure out I shall do next ?
I have a little Swiss gene, I need to check if you are right or wrong.
I'm not crypto-belg, I definitely have Flemish ancestors.
I'm more an unproved NWB offspring,
but I know I can rely on your help to shed some light on that.
Arnaud
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> Baltic does not account for everything, even though it's a good
> track.
Forget Baltic. Baltic-speakers were latecomers to the Baltic. At the
coast they replaced the Veneti and the Aestii, whichever languages
they spoke.
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I'm afraid I have to disagree.
I'm not sure we should accept some kind of Baltic "uber alles" from
Scandinavia to Kazan,
like some people say.
but I see no reason, Baltic should be "late" whatever that means.
I tend to think Baltic is primo-arriver here.
It predates Uralic at least on the eastern side of Scandinavia.
Arnaud
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> As NWB expansion and real nature (language or family, IE or not)
> I'm afraid your NWB chéri has to be expanded into Scandinavia.
You can get off your Feldherrenhügel now.
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I've working on "frozen peat mounds" all day,
this is less authoritative.
Arnaud
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I would have nothing against NWB being in Scandinavia, and I've looked
into it myself using that other criterion, initial p-. There is some
overlap with p- words in West Germanic, but not much, especially in
Jysk, which should be least affected by the Germanic invasion, cf the
-leben names of the invaders
Files > Maps from Udolph > 47 -leben and -lev.jpg
compare West Germanic p-words
http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/KuhnText/list.html
with Jysk p-words
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/30336
> A very intriguing word is north saami bov-ttäs^ = puffin.
> pov / puff-
> A north scandinavian word = a pre-celtic word of Cornwall ?
> No conclusion, just more food for thought.
Be careful Chris and Brian don't hear you talking like that, or they
will have you wash your mouth out with soap.
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They react only when I say bad words.
I suppose M. Gwinn is sulking because I have not been expelled and the
current moderators have not commited suicide.
Arnaud
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> And there is the word for peat
> bal-sa = pedel = peta
>
> North saami is very important in that discussion because these
> words cannot have carried by Germanic languages.
> North Saami pre-dates Germanic.
> They must have been borrowed where they are observed from some
> pre-Germanic source.
Genetically there is a connection between Saami and Basques, says
Oppenheimer. Maybe that's where to look.
Torsten
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Maybe,
But we can also analyze the possibility that early IE varieties reach
western Europe before Celtic and Italic did.
Arnaud
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