Res: [tied] Re: Marduk = Marut = Marutash ?

From: Joao S. Lopes
Message: 60747
Date: 2008-10-09

Dumezil have ever point to a Lugh-Odinn-Varuna connection (Terrible Sovereign). I think this god (if such PIE "proto-god" acutally existed) might have been an allonym Áss-Asura-Ahura (*h2nsu-), since Odinn was an Áss, and Varuna was Asura (and his Persian "descendant" Ahura Mazda).
In India, the Asura became Varuna, with asura becoming a class of gods, not an individual deity. Varunic traits in Greece and Rome is more difficult to track: Roman Jupiter maybe absorbed Varunic traits (cf. Jupíter Stator, the Paralyser; Horatius Cocles, the one-eyed warrior); in Greece, we can look for these traits in Zeus or Dionysos, but with no sure result.
I think it's not impossible that the Varunic god was the same Sky-Father *Dyeus, or, more unlikely, the Moon-God. Unfortunately we don't have Balto-Slavic cognate gods to compare.

Maybe the pair "Varuna"-"Mitra" was PIE; maybe not; maybe this pair was originally a pair of Moon and Sun gods, with Indo-Iranian allonyms developing later "solo careers".
JS Lopes

----- Mensagem original ----
De: Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
Para: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 9 de Outubro de 2008 15:55:15
Assunto: Re: [tied] Re: Marduk = Marut = Marutash ?

On 2008-10-09 20:46, Arnaud Fournet wrote:

> Both you and M. Patnaik are confusing a word and its semantic content.

I am not. What I'm talking about is Varuna's _name_ (that's why often
prefer to use the word "theonym" rather than "god"). The _functions_ of
gods are notoriously shifty and susceptible to external influences.
Dyaus cannot be equated with Jupiter in terms of function, but they are
certainly each other's cognates, formally. Varuna's _function_ as, let's
say, the guardian of the law, may of course be as old as anything, but
not in connection with the same theonym.

Piotr



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