Res: [tied] Odysseus

--- In cybalist@... s.com, "Arnaud Fournet" <fournet.arnaud@ ...>
wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stlatos" <stlatos@... >
> >
> > An IE language spoken in Greece before Hellenic settlement added a
> > before some consonant clusters beginning a word: *tpelyo- > apellon
> > 'black poplar', *trktro- > atraktos 'spindle', *tlaxa:ns > Atla:s.
> ===========
> Thank you for providing new examples of a-mobile in IE.

Not an optional a- in PIE, an obligatory a- before many consonant
clusters in some IE language spoken in Greece (not Greek, rather a
pre-Hellenic language spoken there (or PLST for short)).

Since comparison with other languages makes it clear this a- came
from earlier u-, there's no relation to any supposed IE a-mobile.

> Apellon is direct from a-pellon
> (no need for a t- otherwise it should be **aptellon)
> Arnaud
> =========

Other languages show t. I wonder how you can know that tp > pt and
remained in an indirectly-attested language.

> >
> > Since Deukalion is supposed to come from *dleuk-sxalyo- 'sweet /
> > freshwater sailor' < *dlukus 'sweet / freshwater' and *sxal 'salt,
> > seawater'
> ============
> Out of *dleuk-sH2alyo- , I would expect **leuksalio

In which language? I said l-l > 0-l in Greek, l-l > l-0 in PLST.

> And should this not be better constructed as *dleuk-o-sH2alyo- ?
>
> Arnaud
>

No, why would a u-stem (G glukus) have a compound form with -o? It
was *dLeukusxaLyo- with u-u > u within a word of at least 3 syllables
as in many IE languages.