From: tgpedersen
Message: 60542
Date: 2008-09-30
>I just learned (from Kuhn's review of Krahe's book) that adua- is
> >
> > "It is not clear whether the populations which Caesar consider to
> > be Germanic also called themselves that. The Roman historian
> > Tacitus suggests in his De origine et situ Germanorum (98 n.Chr.)
> > [above footnote] that the name came from Caesar himself and only
> > later was taken over by the local population: 'Some assure [...]
> > that more [ancestors] have sprung from this god and that there
> > are thus more original names: Marsi, Gambrivii, Suebi, Vandilii,
> > and that those are the genuine old names; that besides the
> > designation 'Germani' is of recent date and only came about a
> > short time ago, since those who came first across the Rhine and
> > drove off the Gauls and now (are called) Tongeren, then were
> > called Germani ...' Tacitus refers in this passage very clearly
> > to Caesar. In Tacitus' time the territory of the Eburones who had
> > been exterminated by Caesar was inhabited by the Tongeren
> > (Tungri)"
> >
> New proposal: 'Those who came first across the Rhine and drove off
> the Gauls and now (are called) Tungri' and 'then were called
> Germani' are the Cimbri/Teutones. That would counter your objection
> that Caesar knew of a permanent presence (without Ariovistus) of
> the Germani: it is another people, now called Tungri (and living in
> Aduatuci, now Tongern).
>