From: Arnaud Fournet
Message: 60277
Date: 2008-09-24
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From: "Koenraad Elst" <koenraad.elst@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:42 PM
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> With "ruling class", he seems to mean the upper castes. Till today,
> attempts are made to interpret the genetic studies as showing that
> the upper castes are more European than the lower castes; This was
> announced with much fanfare after the publication of a study by a
> Prof. Bamshad from Utah on the population of the SE-Indian state of
> Andhra Pradesh. In fact, his results were perfectly explainable with
> known data from Indian CE history regardless of any Aryan invasion:
> it is known that in India's south and east, the Brahmin caste was
> imported from the northwest, where *all* people on average are more
> European-looking (taller, lighter-skinned, straighter-nosed) than in
> Andhra, by a natural gradient. Just as people in North-Africa are
> more European-looking than in Central Africa, without therefore
> having immigrated from Europe.
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These people do not look "european".
They share features with people of the near-east (Mesopotamia).
Something that is just an indication that before Indic and Iranians people
moved south,
there has been a demographic push to the east, thanks to agriculture.
It does not make sense to look for "European" traces in India Upper class.
At least you should focus on eastern European people of south Russia.
Arnaud
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> In colonial days, the IE kinship of Britons and Indians was
> explicitly used to justify colonization, e.g. in Viceroy Lord
> Curzon's speech ca. 1905. Race was part of this reasoning: in spite
> of their anti-miscegenation rules, the Indo-Aryans had mixed a bit
> too much with "native" Draupadis, so they lost some of their Aryan
> racial qualities and now stood in need of some help from their purer
> British cousins.
>
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I was not aware of that.
Arnaud
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>
> I'd say an average Panjabi looks more like an Englishman than like an
> Andaman islander. In the far northwest of the subcontinent, in some
> members of the Pakistani ruling class, you do find specimens that, if
> dressed in Western suit, could perfectly pass for Europeans.
>
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Do you think Europeans when dressed the Indian way "could perfectly pass
for" Indians ?
i doubt it, both ways.
Arnaud
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>
> There is no denying at all that the AIT has been used to the hilt as
> a political tool. But that doesn't make it true or false.
>
> KE
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ok
that's interesting to learn.