Re: Vandals

> > > GK: All Germanics believe that (a) Marsi, Gambrivii etc.. are
> > > genuine old names
> >
> > I don't know why you keep repeating that.
> >
> > GK: Because I am relying on Tacitus rathen than on Torsten's
> > Snorrist ideology.
>
> No you're not. You're so blinded by Torsten's insubordination that
> you can't even read.
>
> ****GK: I certainly wish I didn't have to read your ceaseless

Snorrist tom-tom shouts. But I see now that you can't really help it.
The best thing is to stop waving the red flag of science in your face.****

The fact that quidam means "some", not "all" has nothing to do with
whether I think Snorri should be taken seriously as a source.

> > > some proceed to revise the "Mannus as only son of Tuisco"
> > > theory. That is the "licentia" allowed them by the "vetustas"
> > > of these terms.
>
> > > We may also surmise that these names were listed in the "Mannus
> > > only" view among the descendant tribes. As part of either
> > > "proximi Oceano", or "medii", or "ceteri".
>
> Surmise to your heart's content. I can't follow you.
>
> ****GK: Of course you can't. You just can't. It's organically
> impossible. It would be going against the ultimate truth which no
> one knew until Snorri discovered it in the thirteenth century.****

The word was 'surmise'.

> > Place names etc which do not make sense in the language of those
> > who live there are perceived by them as 'old', in contrast to
> > those in their own language which are made up of recognizable
> > elements.
> >
> > GK: Like "Tuisco" and "Mannus"? (:=)))
>
> Yes. Mannus, with the geminate, can't be native Germanic.
>
> ****GK: I can't even begin to count the number of times you turn on
> a dime to contradict yourself. The Vandilii as Germanics theory is
> not "Germania Parva" and now, again, neither is the "Mannus"
> theory, which earlier was...****

What contradiction?

...

> > It is obvious to Snorri and everyone else who used their heads at
> > his time
> >
> > GK: Yawn.... Still flogging that horse... Hopeless, totally and
> > irredemiably.
>
> Flogging what horse? I think I've used that Snorri quote once
> before.
>
> ****GK: You're totally immersed in Snorrism, which is your alpha
> and omega.****

I've tried to propose a scenario which is compatible with what Snorri
says. How is that an -ism?

> > Well, another thing the Germans of Tacitus' time certainly didn't
> > know is that their language came to them from the Aesirs of
> > Asgard. Their old songs (their only source of ancient history)
> > didn't tell them that, nor any more recent recollections [like
> > from the mid-first c. BCE(:=))).] Neither Tacitus nor the Germans
> > of his time (including both "some" and "others") were Snorrists
> > (:=))) tsk..tsk...* ***
>
> Nothing in the old songs could prepare them for the fact that the
> particular dialect used by the elite of Ariovistus' army would
> spread to all of Germania and beyond.
>
> ****GK: Did they translate the old songs into that dialect? (:=))))****

Who knows? Another thing is that songs would have had to be
re-composed in the time between Ariovistus and Snorri, since some
unstressed syllables were lost (e.g a-stem m.nom.sg. *-az > ON -r),
ruining the meter.


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